I like drive modes if there is a perceptible difference.
In my wife's SUV, for instance, the sport mode miraculously makes the whole thing seem to come to life. Throttle response is dramatically different, the transmission holds a gear (or two) higher for much longer, etc. On the other hand, the eco mode is also noticeably reserved and almost feels like there's a cylinder deactivation (which there isn't). I usually default to sport mode, but honestly, it's a little hairy for something like the drive to school.
IIRC, the M button in my E63 M6 activated 2 addition cylinders for an extra 100hp over the norma, default 8-cyl mode. Beyond that, you could program the other settings such as traction control and transmission shift speed so the M button was a one-stop-shop for excitement - again, a very noticable change in the car.
It seems the drive modes become more appreciable if the car has greater performance... there's a lot more bandwidth for change when you have, say, 500hp rather than what you can expect to change in a 150hp economy car.
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I like drive modes if there is a perceptible difference.
In my wife's SUV, for instance, the sport mode miraculously makes the whole thing seem to come to life. Throttle response is dramatically different, the transmission holds a gear (or two) higher for much longer, etc. On the other hand, the eco mode is also noticeably reserved and almost feels like there's a cylinder deactivation (which there isn't). I usually default to sport mode, but honestly, it's a little hairy for something like the drive to school.
IIRC, the M button in my E63 M6 activated 2 addition cylinders for an extra 100hp over the norma, default 8-cyl mode. Beyond that, you could program the other settings such as traction control and transmission shift speed so the M button was a one-stop-shop for excitement - again, a very noticable change in the car.
It seems the drive modes become more appreciable if the car has greater performance... there's a lot more bandwidth for change when you have, say, 500hp rather than what you can expect to change in a 150hp economy car.
I use both eco and sport mode and prior to having those modes, I loved turning on and off the "over drive" mode depending on how I wanted to drive.
Certain vehicles I've been in also somehow feel like the suspension stiffens when put into sport mode. It's lively and aggressive. I love it!
Eco mode is mainly designed for those who evaluate their driving based on how low they can get their average L/100 km. Eco I guess is also useful for making your drive smooth and slow for the comfort of sleeping passengers.
I like drive modes if there is a perceptible difference.
In my wife's SUV, for instance, the sport mode miraculously makes the whole thing seem to come to life. Throttle response is dramatically different, the transmission holds a gear (or two) higher for much longer, etc. On the other hand, the eco mode is also noticeably reserved and almost feels like there's a cylinder deactivation (which there isn't). I usually default to sport mode, but honestly, it's a little hairy for something like the drive to school.
IIRC, the M button in my E63 M6 activated 2 addition cylinders for an extra 100hp over the norma, default 8-cyl mode. Beyond that, you could program the other settings such as traction control and transmission shift speed so the M button was a one-stop-shop for excitement - again, a very noticable change in the car.
It seems the drive modes become more appreciable if the car has greater performance... there's a lot more bandwidth for change when you have, say, 500hp rather than what you can expect to change in a 150hp economy car.
That's not crazy, but I'm over 500 hp in my car and I still use sport exclusively. I have a fast car, why would I want it to be slower? If on the odd time I forget to hit sport when I start it up, I'm super annoyed when I punch it and don't have all my power as fast as possible.
Could be my car, though. It's AWD so I don't have to worry about wrapping myself around a light pole on a hard launch like if I was in a similarly powered rwd or something. With a performance rwd, I could definitely see the appeal of toning things down as needed.
That's not crazy, but I'm over 500 hp in my car and I still use sport exclusively. I have a fast car, why would I want it to be slower? If on the odd time I forget to hit sport when I start it up, I'm super annoyed when I punch it and don't have all my power as fast as possible.
Could be my car, though. It's AWD so I don't have to worry about wrapping myself around a light pole on a hard launch like if I was in a similarly powered rwd or something. With a performance rwd, I could definitely see the appeal of toning things down as needed.
I mean, you and I basically had the same car with me having two fewer doors, and there is a great reason for not using sport mode and sport suspension mode exclusively: highway driving. In Efficiency mode with Comfort suspension, it's a smooth, comfortable, and economical grand tourer. That's what you want out of those modes, earlier smoother upshifts and cloud-esque suspension comfort.
No, you'd almost never use those eco and comfort modes in the city (unless you're on a date or something), but what good are the more sporting drive modes on, say, the TransCanada Highway?
What did you guys do to your 550s to get 500+ hp out of them?
Anyways, I stand by my opinion that as long as there is an appreciable difference in driving characteristics, the choice of different driving modes is better than not having a choice, even if you choose never to use the other modes.
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In my car the modes change the steering quickness, suspension stiffness and throttle response, so I do end up making use of it occasionally. If it's just throttle response, then agreed, dynamic/sport all day every day.
Getting 500 / 500 at 2500 seems more than a little insane. It's a v8 Tesla folks!
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Sharing this here as well in the other thread, as it is certainly something automotive-minded folks will want to act on:
Council is poised to vote on Wednesday for this absurd piece of legislation to reduce the default speed limit to 40 KM/H (which impacts any road without a posted limit), and a further reduction of the limits to 30 KM/H in the future.
I wrote my councillor again expressing my complete opposition to this and I hope you will too.
Well I think my Jeep purchase is down the tubes. I gave them a deposit to hold the vehicle but am already disappointed with Detroit quality. There’s a wind leak from the driver side roof panel even at medium speeds that of course the dealer “can’t hear”.
They said give them a chance to try to fix as the car hasn’t been totally prepped yet but I think I’m asking for trouble out of the gate with this purchase.
Personally, I think buying a new Jeep is insane. The thing is going to rattle and squeal and clunk almost certainly. An old bush beater, sure. But 60K on a vehicle that performs and feels exactly like it’s 20 year old right out of the gate? I don’t get it.
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You're right, not sure what the hell I was looking at. 4500 peak makes way more sense.
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Any former or current Subaru owners out there want to give a fellow CPer some guidance?
I am thinking about getting either the new Outback XT which has the 4 cylinder turbo, a used 2018/2019 Outback with the 3.6 liter 6 cylinder engine or the new Subaru Ascent SUV which also has turbo engine.
I picked up a 911 (996) mostly for the fun of it and now I’m wondering where to get it serviced. Ideally I plan to DD it but I definitely want to get it brought back up to fully maintained before doing so. It’s not a mint car but as long as I can keep it reliable it’s way more car than what you’d get spending the money on something else.
Only problem is I’m pretty bad at wrenching so I need a mechanic for now. Second problem is I’m North of Edmonton so I’ll have to get it serviced there. Anyone up North have a recommendation for a good shop?
Good Calgary shop recommendations are appreciated also if I ened up needing a big service. I feel like the transmission in this car might be pooched, but whatever, the price was right. Edit: went through the search feature and Alpine Autowerks seems to be the place to go in Calgary at least.
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Any former or current Subaru owners out there want to give a fellow CPer some guidance?
I am thinking about getting either the new Outback XT which has the 4 cylinder turbo, a used 2018/2019 Outback with the 3.6 liter 6 cylinder engine or the new Subaru Ascent SUV which also has turbo engine.
Any suggestions?
I think they are good cars but don't age all that well compared to a boring but reliable Toyota. I've worked on quite a few I find them too delicate and finicky. Depends on how long you want to keep it.
Past 200,000km the turbos tend to develop issues.
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- again, a very noticable change in the car. 
