Alberta Politics Thread v2

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GGG

One other thing I find interesting is that there appears to be a faction within the UCP that hates Kenny enough to leak this information.

You have the Caylan Ford messages who was a Kenny parachute candidate and this whole Kenny scandal. This type of information seems like the kind of info you keep internal for the good of the party.

Hate is a possibility or you have members who have been fined and decided to "sing" to anyone who would listen in hopes they can take others down with them.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Were you frozen in a cave somewhere and just got de-thawed? haha

and if you really mean that, you should be applauding Trudeau and his handling of SNC.

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

How so?

He's clearly one of the dozen or so people that actually bought that line of crap touted by the Liberals that their handling of the SNC was to "save jobs", therefore it was for the sake of the "economy".

I knew this was an angle the Liberals were playing at, but holy hell, I didn't know anyone actually bought it.

[Kerplunk]

The election was finally called? I've been seeing so many NDP propaganda ads over the last week I almost thought we were already in the middle of the campaign.

[Otto-matic]

I'm with the NDP.
Kenney is too much of a slimey used car salesman for my liking.

[GullFoss]

I've decided not to vote. The NDP policies are becoming increasingly stupid (carbon tax proceeds distribution is stupid, green job subsidies is stupid, decision not to cut spending faster is stupid, decision not to implement PST is stupid) . And Jason Kenney is a disgusting individual who also has a number of stupid policies (but perhaps not as stupid on the economic side, but plenty more stupid on the social side). It's ####ing appalling that these are our two choices.

This is worse than the choice between Clinton and Trump.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I've decided not to vote. The NDP policies are becoming increasingly stupid (carbon tax proceeds distribution is stupid, green job subsidies is stupid, decision not to cut spending faster is stupid, decision not to implement PST is stupid) . And Jason Kenney is a disgusting individual who also has a number of stupid policies (but perhaps not as stupid on the economic side, but plenty more stupid on the social side). It's ####ing appalling that these are our two choices.

This is worse than the choice between Clinton and Trump.

There are more than 2 choices.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by you&me

He's clearly one of the dozen or so people that actually bought that line of crap touted by the Liberals that their handling of the SNC was to "save jobs", therefore it was for the sake of the "economy".

I knew this was an angle the Liberals were playing at, but holy hell, I didn't know anyone actually bought it.

No. I was referring to how Trudeau is backing a company who pays out in hookers and yachts.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

There are more than 2 choices.

No there isnt

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

No there isnt

Just because you don’t think any of the other options will win doesn’t mean you can’t vote for them. There will be another election in 4 years so if you want more than 2 options you need to encourage the fringe parties to continue fighting. IMO by not voting at all you are inadvertently dissuading these candidates from attempting to run in subsequent election and perpetuating the problem of having too few options on the ballot.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

No there isnt

With this attitude, there never will be.

[PsYcNeT]

I mean, relative to even 5 years ago, 2 options is still 100% more than previous.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by GGG

One other thing I find interesting is that there appears to be a faction within the UCP that hates Kenny enough to leak this information.

You have the Caylan Ford messages who was a Kenny parachute candidate and this whole Kenny scandal. This type of information seems like the kind of info you keep internal for the good of the party.

I'd say it really depends on who is doing the leaking. So far the only name is Aryan Sadat who has a pretty big axe to grind for obvious reasons.

With regards to the Ford messages, the news has decided to shield their identity and print excerpts from chats and not the entire chat. For all we know, the Ford leaks are part of a personal vendetta (as she has stated) and not an attempt to torpedo the UCP. What's worse is that the CBC is still pushing the story with new snippets, even after she withdrew.

[crazy_eoj]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSolberg


Well, since the NDP don't want to talk about their own record, I'll do it for them.

Under their leadership, according to its own report from AHS (17-18), wait lists are out of control & the overall performance of the health system has continued to deteriorate over the past 3 yrs.

Wait times for all four elective surgeries reported by AHS for 2017-18 were longer than in 2016-17, and months longer than in 2014-15, the final year before the May 2015 general election.

Access to cancer specialists was slightly worse: wait time for referral to a radiation oncologist was 5.3 weeks compared to 5 in 2016-17; for a medical oncologist, 5.7 weeks compared to 5.1 in 2016-17.

All six measures of Emergency Department access were worse than in 2016-17; overall access was worse than in 2014-15.

Data reported separately by the @HQCA shows emergency departments are more crowded with admitted patients waiting for inpatient beds.

A core component of the NDPs healthcare platform was to move the system towards continuing care (at home, for example), but again, under their leadership, the amount of patients waiting for that type of care was 17.4% in 2017-18, by far the highest its EVER been.

By all means: attack your political opponents, hold them accountable for the things they have said & done, champion the rights of LGBTQ folks, women & new Cdns, it is important work - but the train personal attacks as a distraction tool from the NDP record is egregious at best

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

https://twitter.com/MichaelSolberg


Well, since the NDP don't want to talk about their own record, I'll do it for them.

Under their leadership, according to its own report from AHS (17-18), wait lists are out of control & the overall performance of the health system has continued to deteriorate over the past 3 yrs.

Wait times for all four elective surgeries reported by AHS for 2017-18 were longer than in 2016-17, and months longer than in 2014-15, the final year before the May 2015 general election.

Access to cancer specialists was slightly worse: wait time for referral to a radiation oncologist was 5.3 weeks compared to 5 in 2016-17; for a medical oncologist, 5.7 weeks compared to 5.1 in 2016-17.

All six measures of Emergency Department access were worse than in 2016-17; overall access was worse than in 2014-15.

Data reported separately by the @HQCA shows emergency departments are more crowded with admitted patients waiting for inpatient beds.

A core component of the NDPs healthcare platform was to move the system towards continuing care (at home, for example), but again, under their leadership, the amount of patients waiting for that type of care was 17.4% in 2017-18, by far the highest its EVER been.

By all means: attack your political opponents, hold them accountable for the things they have said & done, champion the rights of LGBTQ folks, women & new Cdns, it is important work - but the train personal attacks as a distraction tool from the NDP record is egregious at best

Btw, are we still suing ourselves? Or have we settled with ourselves?

[Ped]

It'll never happen because of money and power, but elections and politicking need to be completely overhauled:


1) No more campaign contributions from individuals or corporations. Everyone gets the same amount of money to spend on advertising.


2) Candidates should only be allowed to talk about their own party. No more fear-mongering or complaining about what the other party has done/will do/might do. Run on your own plan.


3) Campaign promises have to be concrete and definable. No "we'll improve the economy" or "we'll cut crime." How are you going to do these things? What proof do you have it will work? If you want to try something, say you want to try it, but it can't be a promise that will result in numbers.


4) If you break more than a certain percentage of your promises, an election is automatically triggered and the leader of the party in question is automatically not allowed to run for office again in that election.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Btw, are we still suing ourselves? Or have we settled with ourselves?

"We" lost.

Province, Enmax settle lawsuit surrounding return of electricity contract

Enmax wins legal fight with Alberta Balancing Pool over power contracts

[RedHot25]

The plot thickens....

https://pressprogress.ca/executive-a...-e-mails-show/

According to internal e-mails newly obtained by PressProgress, Harper & Associates global director Shuvaloy Majumdar was also CC’d on these confidential e-mails alongside senior members of Callaway and Kenney’s campaigns.

Callaway’s co-campaign manager Cameron Davies, who verified the authenticity of the e-mails, told PressProgress that Callaway and top Kenney staffer Matt Wolf both directed him to make sure Majumdar was “looped in” on Callaway’s campaign plans so he could provide “additional feedback.”

Although his name appears nowhere in news archives as holding a formal position on Kenney’s campaign, another trove of UCP e-mails obtained by PressProgress last week show Majumdar’s role was so senior he issued orders to Blaise Boehmer, Kenney’s communications director.

Most notably, the e-mail shows Majumdar and Wolf were not only aware Callaway would drop-out of the race, the document suggests they could veto the timing.

[MelBridgeman]

Press Progress lol

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Press Progress lol

I agree that their biased but they have been accurately reporting this story from December onward.

The text of the article is always hard left slanted but the information (emails and connections between people) appears accurate

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

A press progress v the rebel screech off would be seriously entertaining