Is the black chick on the bridge ever going to do anything other than be the black chick on the bridge?
Her and the communications guys are still pretty much furniture.
I had a thought last night
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Because Airiam had downloaded her menories to the Discovery, its likely that they'll download her into some kind of Avatar, which I'll really dislike for a couple of reasons if they do
1) It takes away the whole death of a "Beloved crew member"
2) They didn't do enough with her through the first year and a half to make it some kind of significant moment
Here's hoping that they resist the temptation and leave her dead.
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Control = skynet
Red Angel = something John Connor sent back in time to stop skynet?
Yeah kinda is if you think about it.
Except that in the terminator franchise. John Connor would have sent John Connor back in time.
Unless . . . . The red Angel is Michael's mother and she has to mate with Spock to produce Michael in the past in a twisted combination of a Back to the Future story line where Marty actually gives into temptation with his hot future mom and conceives himself and the Terminator skyline where the Red Angel was sent back in time by Michael herself who was the leader of the resistance and she sent back her best soldier to save humanity and Ensign Tilly is actually Michael's mother.
So to keep this straight.
Control wipes out humanity except for an intrepid rebellion lead by Michael.
Michael sends Tilly back in time, she has sex with Spocko and gets knocked up.
Tilly jumps back again dyes her red hair brown and gives birth to Michael who's real father is spock. Tilly marries Michaels step father a young star ship captain named George Kirk.
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The Red Angel can’t be Burnham though as she wouldn’t even exist in the ‘apocalypse’ timeline — in that timeline she’s killed by a monster on Vulcan as a child. Only the Red Angel going through time to warn Spock saved her, and set off this timeline.
Is there any reason to think Ariam is the Red Angel then? I could reckon that she's found and whatever finds her wants her to complete the mission, so she has to go back and make sure everything goes as planned. Kind of like how Number 5 in "Umbrella Academy" was part of a group that had to travel through time and fix things.
Is there any reason to think Ariam is the Red Angel then? I could reckon that she's found and whatever finds her wants her to complete the mission, so she has to go back and make sure everything goes as planned. Kind of like how Number 5 in "Umbrella Academy" was part of a group that had to travel through time and fix things.
I don't know, they did nothing to develop her as a relevant character until this next episode, so I can't see them doing anymore with her.
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A 'good' AI fighting against the evil AI that killed everyone. Highly advanced technology (we know that the Short Trek was from 1000 years in the future) and Spock senses feelings of extreme loneliness (which is pretty much what that short was about). Also, it makes the short relevant to the plot instead of a weird one off.
I won't go to into depth on this epsiode because I'm torn. I liked the direction of the episode and the show cutting back on a bunch of story lines to simplify things and let it breath.
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But I will say that the episode felt a bit messy and disjointed as they maybe rushed to tease fans on who the red angel was and then rushed to the twist in the ending.
I want to ad on that the funeral for Ariam would have probably worked better if they had developed her character through the first two season so that we could have seen that she was this wonderful person that they had lost.
We also learned that Michael's parents were key scientists on project Daedalus, a time jumping project by Section 31, and that Captain Leland got Michael's parents killed. At the same time we also learned that the red angel is a perfect DNA match for Michael.
Thus we get the grandfather paradox that we hear about in time travel.They decide to try to kill Michael which will draw Red Angel Michael to save her because without Michael the red angel doesn't exist. Its funny because not too long ago I watched the DS9 episode where they went back in time to the tribbles episode and Brashear was convinced that he had met his grandmother on a turbo lift and because convinced that he was his own grandfather.
The high point of the episode was the scene between Spock and Burnham where they gave it lots of time and it seems like they put the conflict behind themselves.
In the end they do put Michael's life in danger by suffocating her and the Red Angel shows up and they trap her in a containment field and decide to throw in the twist of the season.
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The Red Angel is Michael's mother
The problem in any show is when you do a twist within a twist within a twist, you can sometimes numb the audience and they don't care about the final twist.
Like I said, I'm torn on the episode, they had this really excellent scene in the middle with Spock and Burnham, I even really liked the interaction between Hugh and the Admiral which was really well done. But the Red Angel and Section 31 stuff just felt, sloppy, and rushed
Oh and Anson Mount has announced that he won't be returning to Discovery next year which is expected but a shame because he's been the best part of the show this year.
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I suppose that's one way to ensure the show continues the focus on the First Officer rather than fall in love with a Captain. Although Michael hasn't really been First Officer for a long time.
-Scene between Spock & Michael was great
-Agreed that the funeral scene while excellent would have had much more meaning with character development
-Amazed by how technologically advanced this series is: time travel suits, stasis fields, deflector dish, jumping anywhere in the known universe, ppl back from the dead. It's cool but perhaps a bit too much
-AI out on the loose seems a bit odd
-Section 31 plus the Admiral hanging out seems challenging to follow
All in all, good episode but a bit too many twists with a few too many plot lines rushed or crammed down to the viewer
I think the one thing that keeps tickling the back of my brain.
We know the spore drive does damage to the Mycelial (sp?) network. They had an whole episode around how damaging it was and how it was killing the life there. But they are back to "Get that drive online" damn the consequences.
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Good episode this week - nice to see character development tied into the main story line. Spock and Michael interactions keep getting better and better. Spock himself is certainly growing as a main character.
With Pike confirmed leaving at the end of the season, is the character Spock as well?
One glaring annoyance for me - for an AI entity seeking 'consciousness' - seems to already have it being able to take control and consume people
Good episode this week - nice to see character development tied into the main story line. Spock and Michael interactions keep getting better and better. Spock himself is certainly growing as a main character.
With Pike confirmed leaving at the end of the season, is the character Spock as well?
One glaring annoyance for me - for an AI entity seeking 'consciousness' - seems to already have it being able to take control and consume people
I enjoyed the episode, I thought it was pretty strong.
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I do have this bad feeling that control won't get the sphere and ends up becoming the Borg though, especially after the assimilation scene
I can't see Spock staying after this season, I still believe that Michael has to die or do something really bad to explain her none existence in the OS
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It's a good theory on the AI control becoming the Borg - except that it would completely negate the First Contact timeline. The Borg go back to the party in Montana to enslave the human race and deviate from meeting the Vulcans. That would essentially kill the notion of humanity building control and eliminating the evolution of the Borg.
It's a good theory on the AI control becoming the Borg - except that it would completely negate the First Contact timeline. The Borg go back to the party in Montana to enslave the human race and deviate from meeting the Vulcans. That would essentially kill the notion of humanity building control and eliminating the evolution of the Borg.
What if the Borg are there, but Control joins them and evolves them. Maybe right now they are a planet of 1980's radioshack hand calculators that are permanently spelling 80085 on their screens and filled with impotent rage.
What if Control in its human form gets a hold of the Red Armor technology and goes back in time thousands of years and founds the Borg.
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I have learned to never underestimate Star Trek writers ability to retcon anything in the Star Trek universe after Enterprise.
I wouldn't put it past them to eventually have Stamets decide to take his connection with the Mycelial network travel to a galaxy far far a long time ago and become the first Jedi when the Mycelials permanently bond with his cells and become midichlorians.
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I just don't get it.
The Borg aren't an AI. They are a collective consciousness, a giant groupthink! That's what makes them the Borg, not some super logically computer controlling things.
if Control is the progenitor of the Borg, it's doing a pretty terrible job of that. it nukes every sentient being in the galaxy into oblivion...that's sort of makes the whole growing a species via assimilation thing kind of tough.
not every instance of nanobots taking over a person/system is Borg related. I recall at least one TNG episode where the Enterprise got sick with a nanite infection. seems to be a pretty common path for technological miniaturization.
as for Leland, him getting freaking eyeball stabbed while trying to do the power authorization is going to haunt me every time I visit the optometrist. I'm not sure he should have even survived that at all.
