Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by you need a thneed

became a member of a political party for the first time just now!

ucp?

[jayswin]

Lol

[Fuzz]

Blair Canniff had been a patient at the Royal Alexandra Hospital for roughly six months when he said a social worker told him he was going to be moved.

"They told me I was going to a facility for long-term care," Canniff recalled of the conversation. "They told me where it was, in Leduc, and that's all I knew."

With a paralyzed left side after a stroke, Canniff uses a wheelchair and said he had been expecting to move to some type of assisted-living facility.

On March 4, he said, he was placed in a taxi that took him to a Travelodge in Leduc, roughly 35 kilometres south of Edmonton.

"It was sort of a joke," he said, when asked about his reaction pulling up to a hotel.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...145856?cmp=rss

Pretty cool we are sending disabled people to hotels for end of life care. Sorry, I meant cruel.

How the #### does this even happen?

[KelVarnsen]

If disabled people don't want to be treated cruelly, then they shouldn't have become disabled - Marlaina

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...145856?cmp=rss

Pretty cool we are sending disabled people to hotels for end of life care. Sorry, I meant cruel.

How the #### does this even happen?

Sounds like they stole this idea from BC:
https://vancouversun.com/news/neithe...ng-new-for-b-c

Also, you use of the term "end of life care" is not accurate in this situation. End of life care is a much different type of facility.

[surferguy]

Is it a Best Western instead?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sounds like they stole this idea from BC:
https://vancouversun.com/news/neithe...ng-new-for-b-c

Also, you use of the term "end of life care" is not accurate in this situation. End of life care is a much different type of facility.

Is that a Service Plus Inn type facility?

[topfiverecords]

Is End of Life care at a Motel 666?

[malcolmk14]

I mean at a glance I don't actually hate the idea. Hotels are far more comfortable than a hospital room, and if they have appropriate staff visiting to help with assisted living and rehabilitation, etc., ... doesn't actually sound too bad?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I mean at a glance I don't actually hate the idea. Hotels are far more comfortable than a hospital room, and if they have appropriate staff visiting to help with assisted living and rehabilitation, etc., ... doesn't actually sound too bad?

Dude is in a wheelchair, in a non-accessible room getting fed fast food. He needs help going to the washroom and getting in bed. This is not health care, it's dumping.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sounds like they stole this idea from BC:
https://vancouversun.com/news/neithe...ng-new-for-b-c

Also, you use of the term "end of life care" is not accurate in this situation. End of life care is a much different type of facility.

Oh ####, yo! You got me on the details! So if we want to go into details, perhaps you could compare and contrast the difference between what BC did:

Fraser Health is leasing out the George Point Inn in Surrey for two years at a cost of $4.5 million to provide "transitional" housing and free up hospital beds.

And Alberta...

Manniapik was also worried because Canniff was being fed fast food and said his hygiene was also not managed.

"I was really sad to see the kind of care he was getting, which was not even care as far as I'm concerned."

CBC News spoke with a front desk staff worker who reiterated the Travelodge was a hotel, not a long-term care facility, with rooms that could be booked online by the general public.

On Wednesday, the employee said an organization had rented out between eight to 10 rooms for several days and that a worker would come during the day to check on the guests, some of whom were in wheelchairs.

So Alberta stole the idea? Did they not listen past the word "hotel"?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh ####, yo! You got me on the details! So if we want to go into details, perhaps you could compare and contrast the difference between what BC did:

And Alberta...

So Alberta stole the idea? Did they not listen past the word "hotel"?

So you are okay and support the idea of discharging people to hotels but you just aren't okay with the way that AHS is doing it?

Van Den Berg said the hotel is not an extension of the hospital.

New staff, including several registered nurses, have been hired to work at the transitional facility.

Patients will be discharged from hospital before they arrive at the hotel and no longer require acute care.

From the European study:

The patient hotel model combines the concepts of health and hospitality and could potentially provide a cost-effective alternative to healthcare, with positive outcomes for patient experience as well as patient health. There is a need to explore new systems of care delivery which provide increased patient satisfaction, and a seamless continuum of care at the acute and primary care interface.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1769873043344822519

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So you are okay and support the idea of discharging people to hotels but you just aren't okay with the way that AHS is doing it?



From the European study:

I'd be open to ideas that have the support of actual studies, yes. What happened here was not that. Are you just being this daft on purpose or can you not see how bad (and totally different)this is?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd be open to ideas that have the support of actual studies, yes. What happened here was not that. Are you just being this daft on purpose or can you not see how bad (and totally different)this is?

How bad and totally different could this be? It’s still got the word “hotel” in it.

[BlackArcher101]

Guys, it's obviously a great solution to a short term problem. I'm sure a permanent fix to this short term problem is incoming shortly so that we never have to embarrass ourselves with these measures again.

[Geraldsh]

Just curious, how much did the owner of the Travellodge contribute to UCP?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Just curious, how much did the owner of the Travellodge contribute to UCP?

I think it's quite a bit more likely the owner of the agency that got the contract is the UCP donor. The Travelodge Leduc is probably the cheapest place the agency could find - I doubt the Travelodge wants the bad PR/higher needs guests adding extra work/housekeeping.

[Firebot]

I would be much more concerned about what Contentment Social Services is and how they are involved.

A patient hotel in itself isn't a problem (as calgarygeologist showed), what is described here seems to be criminal negligence of an elderly and how seemingly taxpayer money is being misappropriated.

Why is whois coming up redacted for what is supposed to be a social services program?

Registered On:
2020-03-06

Something doesn't smell right on this one.
contentmentsocialservices.org

This site didn't exist until late 2021, and the address on the info below (which were ones found when doing a date search to avoid current info) shows a fake Edmonton address and a different phone number (5 87 63 5 3521).

https://ca.showmelocal.com/profile.aspx?bid=23568503

https://www.hotfrog.ca/company/13652...-trade-schools

https://www.localmint.com/ca/content...-hours-1099290

It doesn't seem to have an active license let alone anything certifiable?

https://opengovca.com/edmonton-business/410422247-002

How is this running long term or transitionary care? How is AHS involved with this? The buck should always stop at the government, and that lies with the UCP.

[Ozy_Flame]

I don't think this is the first time this is happened.