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Old 10-31-2019, 10:30 AM   #1561
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Quantum mechanical aspects of brain functions as underlying consciousness is a growing field of research. It's obviously not the mainstream, but it's not a joke.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-consciousness/

That's about quantum mechanics being a factor in consciousness though. Photon said Peterson believes that consciousness is a factor in quantum mechanics, which sounds like something else.
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It was during a debate with Ronald de Sousa.
Only one that shows up on YT is 8 years old, that one?
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:59 AM   #1563
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It's pretty galaxy brain to say Milo got blackballed for being abused as a child rather than you know, saying that adults ####ing kids is totally good and normal.
I don't like Milo and certainly don't agree with what he said, but how was it any different than the typical male reaction that we see when it is discovered that an attractive female teacher had sex with an underage male student?
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I don't like Milo and certainly don't agree with what he said, but how was it any different than the typical male reaction that we see when it is discovered that an attractive female teacher had sex with an underage male student?
Did you post this from a time machine in 2004?

Like, South Park made fun of how gross and abusive that stuff was in...2006?
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Did you post this from a time machine in 2004?

Like, South Park made fun of how gross and abusive that stuff was in...2006?
My point is that that attitude still persists and does not generate much outrage. Perhaps in your smug and condescending world South Park is the great arbiter of social issues, but that's not reality.
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My point is that that attitude still persists and does not generate much outrage. Perhaps in your smug and condescending world South Park is the great arbiter of social issues, but that's not reality.
Reality is that people condone statutory rape I guess? Boys will be boys rape victims.
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My point is that that attitude still persists and does not generate much outrage.
Yeah, that hasn't been the norm for years. Not sure what circles you run in.
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Sure, that seems a little silly. But what does it have to do with him being alt right?
Nothing, I responded to your post asking about "ridiculous stuff he advocates."
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Only one that shows up on YT is 8 years old, that one?
Could be, I don't know how many are on YouTube, I just remember watching that one because at first I misread the name and thought it was a debate with Dinesh D'souza and I wanted to see what kind of nightmare that would have been.
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Also, let's not forget that Peterson, who consistently argues against equality of outcome because of the looming specter Marxism, simultaneously essentially argued that the solution to incels was equality of outcome in sexual partners, which is also completely insane.
and like you thinking Scheer compared gays to a dog, you also completely take everything Peterson says out of context or misconstrue it . everything you said there is wrong.
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Shapiro and Rubin, first and foremost, for blatant hypocrisy. Secondly, they both often engage in bad faith and dishonest arguments. Either that or their just not as smart as they pass themselves off. Any cursory fact-checking of most of their videos shows they're either intentionally misleading their audience or they fundamentally don't understand the "facts" they're presenting.

Rubin trying to pass himself off as a "classical liberal" and centrist voice of reason is particularly laughable when you take a look at who he's getting his paycheques from.



Beyond being a peddler and practitioner of pseudoscience nonsense, Peterson's arguments often fall apart under any kind of intellectual scrutiny. It was interesting seeing Cliff argue that no "left-wing" intellectual heavyweights were willing to debate Peterson, but he got exposed pretty badly when he debated Zizek in Toronto. His ideas are often revealed to be pretty extreme and nonsensical once you get past the word salads he uses to dress them up in, and he has a bad tendency to weigh-in (almost always incorrectly/incoherently) on topics he has virtually no expertise in.
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and like you thinking Scheer compared gays to a dog, you also completely take everything Peterson says out of context or misconstrue it . everything you said there is wrong.
Found the Peterson stan.
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Found the Peterson stan.
less fake news, alcohol, and more science pal

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less fake news, alcohol, and more science pal

I was just about to post that. At 4:40 he starts talking about how enforced monogamy gives everyone a chance to have a mate and it proceeds into a discussion where Rogan calls him out for essentially advocating for equality of outcome. And that doesn't even begin to get into all of the other nonsense he spews in there (e.g. the false dilemma of a monogamous society vs. a polygamist society, that incel violence is a direct result of a lack of female intimacy, etc.).
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(e.g. the false dilemma of a monogamous society vs. a polygamist society.
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Did you not understand what I was getting at when I said it's a false dilemma?
Cleary not, explain
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Cleary not, explain
The choice isn't between a monogamous society and a polygamous society. There are various alternatives between those two options, not to mention the degrees of each that can be implemented.

I'm also not sure why Peterson is bringing polygamy me into the discussion. We by and large do live in a monogamous society and I don't know that anyone outside of extremist religious sects who are strongly advocating for a polygamous society. He's either tilting at windmills or he's conflating polygamy with polyamory and promiscuity.
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That doesn't refute my point. You can blame dudes for being incels while also believing that the lack of female intimacy is the cause of incel violence. To be fair, he's more directly saying that it's a lack of female companionship/partnership that's driving the violence. Either way, it's a pretty simplistic take.
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