[Rumour] Rangers deep in talks for Guentzel for a 1st plus Perreault or Othman

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Absolutely not.

He's a UFA winger. Lindholm wasn't having a great season at the time the Flames traded him but centers carry higher value. I know some fans are sensitive towards anything that can be misconstrued as criticism for towards the Flames but it's not about the Flames and more that a 1st and one of the top prospects in the league would be a massive overpayment. Not going to get worked up though as I feel this rumour is a little far fetched.

[DropIt]

If this happens, Conroymis going to look pretty bad for getting a much worse return on a similarly valued player.

[loob job]

If the Pens were offered that they should sign as soon as possible. That's a steal for them. Those are two great prospects that Pitt should be happy with either.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I don't think we did............which is also why everyone is far too bent out of shape. Hanifin is not as valuable, and never was as valuable as a forward who typically clips around the point per game mark the past 6 seasons.

We are judging Conroy's trade on false parameters.

What would be the defensive equivalent of a 29 year old PPG 1st line winger?

Because a 1/2 PPG, 2 way 27 year old top pairing defenseman cant be that far off.

[konradical]

Friedman think it is Carolina getting Guentzel as they are willing to go heavy prospect package.

Also all their waiver announcements makes it seem like they are about to acquire him

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At the end of the day it's not much more than what we got for Hanifin.

1st + 3rd (possibly 2nd) + a prospect the Flames like Vs. 1st + recent mid 1st.

The gap is there, but it's not huge. Guentzel is going at a PPG+ pace this year, making it pretty much his 6th year in a row of doing so. He's pretty dang good.

Perrault would immediately become neck and neck with Coronato as the Flames top prospect. He's probably worth more than a non-top 10 first round pick on his own.

[iloveicedhockey]

Did anyone actually read the tweet wording? Dude suggesting but nothing concrete. Calm down. At least safe your outrage until he's traded to Carolina for a 1st and their best prospect.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At the end of the day it's not much more than what we got for Hanifin.

1st + 3rd (possibly 2nd) + a prospect the Flames like Vs. 1st + recent mid 1st.

The gap is there, but it's not huge. Guentzel is going at a PPG+ pace this year, making it pretty much his 6th year in a row of doing so. He's pretty dang good.

Guentzel has also played just under 600 minutes without Crosby at ES vs nearly 5000 with him in the last 4 season.

That's a terrible trade based on the other trades, Guentzel's success has been playing with an all-time great as his center his entire career.

[Knut]

Sounds a bit like Pittsburgh trying to drive up the price.

[dino7c]

there is no equivalent value in the NHL, a player is worth what someone is willing to pay. Every GM will value every player a little differently.

Like could we all rank the top 100 players in the league and have the same list? no, obviously not. Its always, we could have gotten that, or we could have gotten him for that. These players aren't currency with a defined value. GM really likes a player or prospect they might be willing to pay more, they also might not like their own prospect as much as the next guy ect. Our "experts" are guys that either can't get a job in the league or have been fired.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At the end of the day it's not much more than what we got for Hanifin.

1st + 3rd (possibly 2nd) + a prospect the Flames like Vs. 1st + recent mid 1st.

The gap is there, but it's not huge. Guentzel is going at a PPG+ pace this year, making it pretty much his 6th year in a row of doing so. He's pretty dang good.

Perreault is having a very good rookie NCAA season. Yes, he plays with Will Smith and Cutter Gauthier, but Perreault's value has to have increased since he was drafted - and he came from an outstanding draft class.

That's a huge price to pay.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Did anyone actually read the tweet wording? Dude suggesting but nothing concrete. Calm down. At least safe your outrage until he's traded to Carolina for a 1st and their best prospect.

Why would anyone be outraged? It just seems very far fetched. If it happens though good for the Penguins.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by traptor

I would easily take perrault over conditional 3rd+Miromanov and I feel like the vast majority would agree

That's fair, but not the right question / comparison. The right question / comparison is who's more valuable Hanifin or Guentzel.

I'm not shocked at all that Guentzel would be viewed as a more valuable asset by the GM community. Therefore I'm not shocked that he might return more than Hanifin did.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's a UFA winger. Lindholm wasn't having a great season at the time the Flames traded him but centers carry higher value. I know some fans are sensitive towards anything that can be misconstrued as criticism for towards the Flames but it's not about the Flames and more that a 1st and one of the top prospects in the league would be a massive overpayment. Not going to get worked up though as I feel this rumour is a little far fetched.

Guentzel has performed well over the last three seasons. Lindholm’s last good season was two seasons ago. Recency does matter.
Overpays do happen though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Perreault is having a very good rookie NCAA season. Yes, he plays with Will Smith and Cutter Gauthier, but Perreault's value has to have increased since he was drafted - and he came from an outstanding draft class.

That's a huge price to pay.

I’ll believe when I see it

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Guentzel has performed well over the last three seasons. Lindholm’s last good season was two seasons ago. Recency does matter.
Overpays do happen though.

He’s been a point per game forward for 6 seasons…

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Guentzel has performed well over the last three seasons. Lindholm’s last good season was two seasons ago. Recency does matter.
Overpays do happen though.

Lindholm's stats dropped significantly when the Flames lost Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Guentzel plays with Crosby, teams don't know this?

This trade is so bad I doubt it's even close to what actually happens. Unless an extension is in place, even then it's too much.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At the end of the day it's not much more than what we got for Hanifin.

1st + 3rd (possibly 2nd) + a prospect the Flames like Vs. 1st + recent mid 1st.

The gap is there, but it's not huge. Guentzel is going at a PPG+ pace this year, making it pretty much his 6th year in a row of doing so. He's pretty dang good.

Perrault is one of the best prospects in the NHL. By himself he is better than the Flames return.

It’s a huge gap. And I doubt it happens.

[dino7c]

Guentzel also has good playoff stats...as opposed to getting worked in the playoffs
pretty big factor for a playoff rental

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Perrault would immediately become neck and neck with Coronato as the Flames top prospect. He's probably worth more than a non-top 10 first round pick on his own.

He is way ahead of Coronato.

Perrault is considered an elite prospect, while Coronato is very good.