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dino7c · 08-14-2019, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Misfortune that has befallen this team thus far?

Valimaki injury.

And Lucic.

So yeah, not off to a great start.

Also not sure what finishing 2nd overall last year and recent or future misfortune have to do with each other.

exactly my point...Valimaki and Neal didn't contribute to the Flames success last season. Lucic is a more useful 3rd liner.

not sure why people are predicting some massive drop off for the team

FlamesAddiction · 08-14-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

exactly my point...Valimaki and Neal didn't contribute to the Flames success last season. Lucic is a more useful 3rd liner.

not sure why people are predicting some massive drop off for the team

I think people were thinking that we need to trade Brodie for cap space and having a cost controlled defenseman like Valimaki back there would be important to help offset the loss of Brodie. I know they play different sides, but overall depth is still important considering everything.

Scroopy Noopers · 08-14-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

exactly my point...Valimaki and Neal didn't contribute to the Flames success last season. Lucic is a more useful 3rd liner.

not sure why people are predicting some massive drop off for the team

I don’t think many are, or I’m not at least. Just that we struck out on a few great opportunities to get even better. It’s been frustrating to watch, especially knowing we need a little more push late next season.

bubbsy · 08-15-2019, 05:06 AM

At this point, I'm less curious about the contract but more interested to see when Tkachuk, and these other RFA’s, actually get signed.

I'd love to poll CP to predict if tkatchuk signs before camo, before the season, in October, in November, hours before the December deadline, sit out for the year, or get traded.

Toonage · 08-15-2019, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

exactly my point...Valimaki and Neal didn't contribute to the Flames success last season. Lucic is a more useful 3rd liner.

not sure why people are predicting some massive drop off for the team

TBF my exact words were "if misfortune befalls the team"

So hopefully you aren't lumping me in with people "predicting some massive drop off"

kyuss275 · 08-15-2019, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

At this point, I'm less curious about the contract but more interested to see when Tkachuk, and these other RFA’s, actually get signed.

I'd love to poll CP to predict if tkatchuk signs before camo, before the season, in October, in November, hours before the December deadline, sit out for the year, or get traded.

pretty much this. If i remember correctly there was an article months ago with Tkachuk saying that him and his agent are watching the Marner signing because they think its going to move the needle again. IMO if they are waiting for Marner, then I don't see them signing before camp.

bubbsy · 08-15-2019, 07:24 AM

What day do the leafs get to tap into the IR cap relief dough, and how much cap space does that get them?

Huntingwhale · 08-15-2019, 08:24 AM

I voted 6x7. I think BT manages to get the avg number to start with a 7, which is a big win in my books.

Bingo · 08-15-2019, 08:27 AM

Almost 250 votes and I have it at 37.5% of voters picking a team favourable outcome. Pretty much proves my point for the poll ... Calgary fans pretty grounded on expectations.

GioforPM · 08-15-2019, 08:51 AM

If 2x$6M was an option I'd have probably picked that. I see this contract being either 2 or 6 years and I don't think they will see eye to eye on the salary for 6.

The Cobra · 08-15-2019, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I voted 6x7. I think BT manages to get the avg number to start with a 7, which is a big win in my books.

If Treliving can get 6 years at $7MM, he deserves GM of the year.

At this stage I doubt Tkachuk would take $7MM on a 1-year contract.

If Tkachuk agrees to a 6-year contract (which he clearly doesn't want to), the AAV has to hurt I would imagine.

Let's hope you are correct.

TheKurgan · 08-15-2019, 09:27 AM

Because we are tight against the cap I think we sign Tkachuk to Gio/Johnny money over 3/4 years. Can't afford to lock him up long term unfortunately.

GioforPM · 08-15-2019, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKurgan

Because we are tight against the cap I think we sign Tkachuk to Gio/Johnny money over 3/4 years. Can't afford to lock him up long term unfortunately.

3 years is the worst IMO. If I added things right that's right up to UFA, without getting any UFA years. 2 years gives you a a chance to negotiate while he's still an RFA. And if they are buying UFA years I want at least 3.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-15-2019, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

If 2x$6M was an option I'd have probably picked that. I see this contract being either 2 or 6 years and I don't think they will see eye to eye on the salary for 6.

^ this

Enoch Root · 08-15-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Almost 250 votes and I have it at 37.5% of voters picking a team favourable outcome. Pretty much proves my point for the poll ... Calgary fans pretty grounded on expectations.

I find Flames fans - particularly on this site - to be very well grounded.

There are of course, the perpetual pessimists that think everyone else is a homer. And of course, there will always be a sprinkling of unmitigated homers. But the majority of fans seem pretty grounded, and we consistently see pretty standard, and balanced, bell curves for pretty much every discussion item.

Enoch Root · 08-15-2019, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

3 years is the worst IMO. If I added things right that's right up to UFA, without getting any UFA years. 2 years gives you a a chance to negotiate while he's still an RFA. And if they are buying UFA years I want at least 3.

3 years wouldn't take him to UFA

Vinny01 · 08-15-2019, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

3 years is the worst IMO. If I added things right that's right up to UFA, without getting any UFA years. 2 years gives you a a chance to negotiate while he's still an RFA. And if they are buying UFA years I want at least 3.

That would be a 4 year deal (send him to UFA) which would be the worst.

The Cobra · 08-15-2019, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

If 2x$6M was an option I'd have probably picked that. I see this contract being either 2 or 6 years and I don't think they will see eye to eye on the salary for 6.

I think all of the premium RFA's want the same AAV whether it's for 1 year, 3 years, 8 years, whatever.

For players currently in their prime, they don't see any reason to accept less than top dollar for their pre-UFA years, after the Matthews contract.

I think Treliving would love to sign Tkachuk for 8-years even at $8.5MM.

Tkachuck likely wants $8.5MM over 4-years and might accept 5.

VladtheImpaler · 08-15-2019, 11:43 AM

I voted 5x9, though that was just rounding up 8.5. I think Marner will wind up at around $10m (not sure about term), and Tkachuk (and others) will rely on that.

The Cobra · 08-15-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I voted 5x9, though that was just rounding up 8.5. I think Marner will wind up at around $10m (not sure about term), and Tkachuk (and others) will rely on that.

Marner is likely the premier RFA on the market.

If he signs for 8 years (even with a $10MM price tag), it will effect he balance of the RFA"s from getting the high AAV with the short term.

I think Toronto has already offered Marner 8 years at $10MM, or other teams have approached him with the same offer.

He wants a term to UFA.