12-13-2017, 03:24 PM
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Frolik is no good in OT
I know he has an OT goal this year, but it drives me crazy seeing him get so much Overtime play. The OT games are very exciting, but please take Frolik off the 3 on 3.
Frolik has ok skating ability, ok shot, and just an ok player....He is not creative enough to be playing in OT. He's a north south player and not shifty and lacks the creativity like what you want and need in OT. He has a shoot mentality and those shots are not high percentage scoring chances at all.
Tkachuk and jankowski are better fits in my opinion.
What are everyone's thoughts? I would like to hear a different perspective. I certainly haven't noticed him add much value.
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12-13-2017, 03:27 PM
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#2
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Frolik is good in OT because he puts pucks on net, can force turnovers and is positionally sound.
Don't mind Frolik out in OT at all.
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12-13-2017, 03:27 PM
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#3
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goflames10
I know he has an OT goal this year, but it drives me crazy seeing him get so much Overtime play. The OT games are very exciting, but please take Frolik off the 3 on 3.
Frolik has ok skating ability, ok shot, and just an ok player....He is not creative enough to be playing in OT. He's a north south player and not shifty and lacks the creativity like what you want and need in OT. He has a shoot mentality and those shots are not high percentage scoring chances at all.
Tkachuk and jankowski are better fits in my opinion.
What are everyone's thoughts? I would like to hear a different perspective. I certainly haven't noticed him add much value.
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I agree he's not as creative as Tkachuk and not as shifty as Jankowski. I think they use him for defensive purposes. He's probably better than Tkachuk or Jankowski in that regard at this point in their careers. In fact, he is probably the second best two way forward on the Flames.
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12-13-2017, 03:29 PM
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#4
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Stopping a goal is just as important as scoring one. I don't have any issues with him on in OT.
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12-13-2017, 03:31 PM
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#5
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goflames10
I know he has an OT goal this year, but it drives me crazy seeing him get so much Overtime play. The OT games are very exciting, but please take Frolik off the 3 on 3.
Frolik has ok skating ability, ok shot, and just an ok player....He is not creative enough to be playing in OT. He's a north south player and not shifty and lacks the creativity like what you want and need in OT. He has a shoot mentality and those shots are not high percentage scoring chances at all.
Tkachuk and jankowski are better fits in my opinion.
What are everyone's thoughts? I would like to hear a different perspective. I certainly haven't noticed him add much value.
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Frolik is one of the few players that if we needed a forward to play defenseman, he would be the guy. He is arguably our best defensive forward on the team. I know that he lacks a little bit of creativity, but he is out there on 3v3's to play defense, because if we have 3 offensive players trying to get creative and score a goal, the chances are the other team gets it and we have no decent defensive coverage whatsoever. For me, I don't mind him out there.
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12-13-2017, 03:38 PM
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#6
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Crash and Bang Winger
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I don't mind him and Backlund out there to take the opening draw. But as soon as we win the draw or gain the next possession, swap him with Bennnet/Tkachuk/Jankowski.
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12-13-2017, 03:38 PM
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#7
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Okotoks
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The 3-3 strategy is to put out Backs and Frolik, who are possession monsters, to get and keep the puck, take the first thirty or forty seconds off the clock, and then get it to Gaudreau and Monahan to finish it off. It's been working awesome so far. I say keep doing what works.
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12-13-2017, 03:38 PM
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#8
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First Line Centre
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His job is to make sure the Flames don't get scored on while Gaudreau and Monahan catch their breath.
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12-13-2017, 03:38 PM
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#9
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Scoring Winger
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I think the reason he and Backlund are out there in OT is not primarily score but to at least gain possession or get a faceoff in to offensive zone, which I think those two are the best at on this team.
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12-13-2017, 03:39 PM
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#10
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: North Vancouver, BC
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Has Frolik been on the ice for a 3 on 3 OT goal against? Yes. 1, versus Vancouver. 1 goal in three years.
Has he scored or been a part of a 3 on 3 goal for? Yes. A handful of times.
To say he's "no good" in 3 on 3 OT is just wrong.
Last edited by VANFLAMESFAN; 12-13-2017 at 03:48 PM.
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12-13-2017, 03:40 PM
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#11
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rogermexico
The 3-3 strategy is to put out Backs and Frolik, who are possession monsters, to get and keep the puck, take the first thirty or forty seconds off the clock, and then get it to Gaudreau and Monahan to finish it off. It's been working awesome so far. I say keep doing what works.
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Plus the other team usually starts their best guys, and Backlund/Frolik are the 3 on 3 shutdown pair.
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12-13-2017, 03:47 PM
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#12
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Lifetime Suspension
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He is basically a placeholder to get possession for Johnny.
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12-13-2017, 03:48 PM
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#13
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Voted for Kodos
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Backlund and Frolik have 6 combined 3on 3 OT goals. Johnny / Mony have 9.
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12-13-2017, 03:50 PM
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#14
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Re: OP
I agree. I would prefer a defenseman play with Backlund. Maybe Giordano-Backlund-Hamilton.
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12-13-2017, 03:58 PM
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#15
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Voted for Kodos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Re: OP
I agree. I would prefer a defenseman play with Backlund. Maybe Giordano-Backlund-Hamilton.
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The Flames regularly did this in the first year of 3 on 3. The other team would put out their best offensive players, and Backlund/Gio/Brodie would defend them (while still having the ability to score), and then Mony / Johnny would come out second against lesser players from the other team.
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12-13-2017, 04:03 PM
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#16
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
The Flames regularly did this in the first year of 3 on 3. The other team would put out their best offensive players, and Backlund/Gio/Brodie would defend them (while still having the ability to score), and then Mony / Johnny would come out second against lesser players from the other team.
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Actually, I think they went Gio/Brodie/Monahan quite a bit.
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12-13-2017, 04:05 PM
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#17
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Voted for Kodos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Actually, I think they went Gio/Brodie/Monahan quite a bit.
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Both I think at times.
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12-13-2017, 04:12 PM
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#18
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First Line Centre
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I don't mind Frolik out there but I wish they would give some other guys a bit more opportunity in OT. It seems they swap Backlund/Frolik/Gio and Monahan/Gaudreau/Brodie throughout and give an odd shift to a couple other forwards with one of Brodie or Gio.
I would have a rotation of the following players:
F: Backlund, Frolik, Monahan, Gaudreau, Jankowski, Bennett or Tkachuk
D: Gio, Brodie, Hamilton
The fact Hamilton and Tkachuk barely get any OT time is puzzling.
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12-13-2017, 04:20 PM
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#19
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First Line Centre
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Backlund and Frolik are almost always on to start OT to prevent the other teams best forwards from scoring, and to be able to get Gaudreau on while the Flames have possession.
Little side tip: did you know that they are often on during a PK, and Frolik leads the team with 2 SHG?
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12-13-2017, 04:21 PM
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#20
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
The fact Hamilton and Tkachuk barely get any OT time is puzzling.
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It's because Monny or Johnny usually score in the first minute.
Blame them.
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