Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Champion Of Gender Equality, Dies At 87

[powderjunkie]

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[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst people in politics aren't democrats or republicans, its people who think their side is virtuous and true and the other side is filled with sub human trash.

Cool take. I'm sure there were "centrists" in the Weimar Republic said the same thing.

When one side destroys civil liberties, puts people in concentration camps, de-humanizes their opponents, constantly lies, denounces free press, mass sterilizes people and brutalize their citizenry in the name of "law and order" its kind of hard not to think of them as human trash.

But yeah, go ahead and blame the people trying to call out the evil, and fearful of their hypocrisy to maintain power at the cost of democracy.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst people in politics aren't democrats or republicans, its people who think their side is virtuous and true and the other side is filled with sub human trash.

Is it wrong to believe that anyone who sides with Trump and his ilk are sub human trash?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Is it wrong to believe that anyone who sides with Trump and his ilk are sub human trash?

No, it’s a fact.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No, it’s a fact.

You just called Obama voters trash. Fact: many swing voters that voted for Obama twice (I know several) voted for Trump. A small percentage of African American's (8%) voted Trump, a fairly large % of Hispanics (28%) voted Trump. Are they all trash as well? 27% of Asians voted Trump. All trash, right?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No, it’s a fact.

I would say there are a few options

- they are trash
- they lack empathy as their personal situation will improve under Trump relative to Biden
- they are not educated to the consequences of Trumps actions or Biden’s policies.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think it's pretty easy to differentiate "Trump and his ilk" from all people who voted for Trump. If you believe approval numbers there was a significant amount of people who did not approve of Trump last election who still voted for him (and the same for Hillary). Trump as an individual is virtually indefensible, and I think very little of anyone who does, but his policies are mostly stock and trade GOP policies. So you can still vote for him because of policy, and also think personally that he's a gargantuan piece of ####.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Cool take. I'm sure there were "centrists" in the Weimar Republic said the same thing.

When one side destroys civil liberties, puts people in concentration camps, de-humanizes their opponents, constantly lies, denounces free press, mass sterilizes people and brutalize their citizenry in the name of "law and order" its kind of hard not to think of them as human trash.

But yeah, go ahead and blame the people trying to call out the evil, and fearful of their hypocrisy to maintain power at the cost of democracy.

You know, the evil of the Nazis were the people who pretty obviously viewed their opponents as sub-human trash.

The evil of Trumpublicans are the people who view their opponents, or POCs, or immigrants etc. as sub-human trash.

Seems like Matata has a good point.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst people in politics aren't democrats or republicans, its people who think their side is virtuous and true and the other side is filled with sub human trash.

Both sides, many sides.

[JohnnyB]

Back to the topic of RBG, I just heard the story yesterday of how it was Hillary Clinton that convinced Bill to give RBG a chance, as he was at the time only looking at male candidates and wasn't familiar with RBG, someone who had already been passed over for a supreme court clerkship when she was young because she wasn't a guy.

That in itself is a great example of how self-perpetuating discriminatory structures of power are and how important it is to have diverse voices in decision making. Although Bill recognized her quality after evaluating her, she never would have been under consideration if not for another woman having his ear and all the work RBG did on the supreme court that has benefited women could have been erased if not for that. So much of systemic discrimination is just about whose voices and perspectives don't have a place at the decision-making table and how hard it is to get a place at that table.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Matata

The worst people in politics aren't democrats or republicans, its people who think their side is virtuous and true and the other side is filled with sub human trash.

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Both sides, many sides.

Haha, wtf? Seriously, read Matata's post again, look at your comic again, and think about who are the worst people in that comic according to what Matata wrote.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by zamler

You just called Obama voters trash. Fact: many swing voters that voted for Obama twice (I know several) voted for Trump. A small percentage of African American's (8%) voted Trump, a fairly large % of Hispanics (28%) voted Trump. Are they all trash as well? 27% of Asians voted Trump. All trash, right?

You clearly don’t understand the difference between casting a vote 4 years ago and supporting him and voting for him again.

But yes, they’re sub human trash too if they actively support him.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You know, the evil of the Nazis were the people who pretty obviously viewed their opponents as sub-human trash.

The evil of Trumpublicans are the people who view their opponents, or POCs, or immigrants etc. as sub-human trash.

Seems like Matata has a good point.

Except unlike republicans, I’m not trying to actively subjugate and eradicate the people I think are trash. If anything, Dems want to protect those people from the very party they support, even though they are horrible human beings.

Well, except Trump and McConnell. I’d be dancing naked in the streets if they both died.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You know, the evil of the Nazis were the people who pretty obviously viewed their opponents as sub-human trash.

The evil of Trumpublicans are the people who view their opponents, or POCs, or immigrants etc. as sub-human trash.

Seems like Matata has a good point.

I would argue, though, that the people who didn't take a stand against the Nazis were just as bad. They were the ones who allowed the "evil" Nazis to get away with the atrocities they committed.

The Republicans who sit idly by while the GOP dismantles our democracy are, at the very least, complicit.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

I would argue, though, that the people who didn't take a stand against the Nazis were just as bad. They were the ones who allowed the "evil" Nazis to get away with the atrocities they committed.

The Republicans who sit idly by while the GOP dismantles our democracy are, at the very least, complicit.

There's a term for them: "Good Germans".

[Flamenspiel]

^^Na. The Nazi's were the worst, innocent bystanders and survivors are not the same or worse. I hate posts like this, you simply don't understand how tragic it is to be caught up in such circumstances. You have never lived through it.

It reminds of comments like "you are with us or you are with the terrorists". Or for the younger crowd: "only a Sith deals in absolutes"

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

I would argue, though, that the people who didn't take a stand against the Nazis were just as bad. They were the ones who allowed the "evil" Nazis to get away with the atrocities they committed.

The Republicans who sit idly by while the GOP dismantles our democracy are, at the very least, complicit.

Ya...I’m not sure you understand how that whole authoritarian regime actually worked. Nor how much the average German actually knew about. But, okay, they were “just as bad”.


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[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

^^Na. The Nazi's were the worst, innocent bystanders and survivors are not the same or worse. I hate posts like this, you simply don't understand how tragic it is to be caught up in such circumstances. You have never lived through it.

It reminds of comments like "you are with us or you are with the terrorists". Or for the younger crowd: "only a Sith deals in absolutes"

Uhh, hate to break it to you but we are watching a wannabe dictator doing his best to end a democracy (arguably the worlds keystone democracy) and turn it into an authoritarian regime. Or do we have to wait until his fourth term to say we “lived through it”?

But you’re right, let’s feel bad for the republicans “caught up in such circumstances”.

I know when I think of the GOP and trump supporters the first thing I think is “innocent bystanders and survivors”. Not Mexicans in detention camps, forced unwanted medical procedures, black people systematically murdered by police etc. No, no, it’s the GOP who are innocent and survivors.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Ya...I’m not sure you understand how that whole authoritarian regime actually worked. Nor how much the average German actually knew about. But, okay, they were “just as bad”.


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But you know better? Citation please

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Ya...I’m not sure you understand how that whole authoritarian regime actually worked. Nor how much the average German actually knew about. But, okay, they were “just as bad”.


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I think there's certainly a difference between opposing a contentious party trying to gain power and openly opposing an authoritarian regime in power. I have a lot of empathy for the conscientious objectors in Germany from 1930 to 1945, and I still have trouble with the Buchenwald civilian tour after liberation. What exactly could those people do?

Really off-topic now, but if you take one thing away from this branch of thought think of the story of Hans Litten, a lawyer who subpoenaed Hitler in a 1931 trial in an attempt to expose his evil. You can take an educated guess on his fate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Litten

https://www.buchenwald.de/en/1232/

[JohnnyB]

I don't know what Matata's politics are, but these responses are seriously making me question the reading comprehension levels behind some of these replies.

If red team vs. blue team politics prevent people from both teams being able to come together in recognition that people who view others as sub-human trash are the worst regardless of which team's colour they wear, then politics are pretty broken. If people are so divided by political team that they can't agree on such a fundamental statement and position, then liberal political discourse in society is pretty well on the ropes.