UPD: conditions on Smith/Hamonic deals are as originally reported at time of trades

[sureLoss]

Looks like Freeway has uncovered some new info on the conditional picks:

Ryan Pike @RyanNPike
Did some digging and got some clarity on the conditional #Flames pick for the 2018 Draft; If #Flames make playoffs, their 3rd goes to Arizona (via Smith trade). If they miss, they keep the pick.

So if they make the playoffs, the #Flames will not select until the 4th round of this year's draft.

The Mike Smith trade ends up being Smith for Brandon Hickey, Chad Johnson and a 2018 third (if CGY makes playoffs in 2018) or nothing (if they do not).

The previous reporting was that the conditional 3rd the Flames gave up would be upgraded to a 2nd if the Flames made the playoffs.



Also

Ryan Pike
@RyanNPike

On Hamonic trade: if CGY makes playoffs in 2019, the 2019 second goes to the Islanders and the #Flames get the Isles' 4th. If they miss, it's 2020 second for 2020 fourth.

Previous reporting was:

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Conditions get a little complicated. If CGY misses playoffs in 2019, NYI gets the 2nd round pick that year.

That's because there's a pre-existing deal in place with ARI, that if CGY makes playoffs in 2019, ARI gets CGY's 2nd rounder.

So if ARI gets that 2019 2nd rder, NYI will get 2020 2nd round pick from CGY.

If CGY sends NYI a 2nd in 2019, the 4th the Flames get back is also in 2019. If CGY sends 2nd in 2020, the 4th rder they get back is 2020.

News Update

see posts #26 and #29 for new clarification from Freeway.
TLDR, the picks were as originally reported by McKenzie et.
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[Da_Chief]

So this is what it looks like?

2018 1st to Isles
2018 2nd to Isles
2018 3rd to Coyotes if Flames make the playoffs, no pick if they miss
2019 2nd or 2020 2nd to Isles - '19 if playoffs in '19 or '20 if they miss in '19

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

So what are all the traded picks now? Thanks in advance.

Mike Smith Trade:

Guaranteed: Brandon Hickey
If Flames make playoffs in '18: 2018 3rd round pick to ARZ

Travis Hamonic Trade:

Guaranteed: 2018 1st round pick, 2018 2nd round pick

If Flames make the playoffs in '19: 2019 2nd round pick to NYI, CGY gets NYI 2019 4th round pick

If Flames miss the playoffs in '19: 2020 2nd round pick to NYI, CGY gets NYI 2020 4th round pick

[sureLoss]

based on Freeway's information

2018:
CGY 1st - traded to Islanders in Hamonic deal
CGY 2nd - traded to Islanders in Hamonic deal
CGY 3rd - conditionally traded to Arizona in Smith deal (if Flames make playoffs in 2018. if Flames don't make playoffs in 2018 no pick is sent)
CGY 4th
FLA 4th - acquired in Hudler trade
CGY 5th - traded to Arizona for re-signing Stone
CGY 6th
CGY 7th
DET 7th - conditionally acquired if Tom McCollum plays at least 20 minutes in 15 NHL games (unlikely to happen)

2019:
CGY 1st
CGY 2nd - traded to Islanders (if Flames make playoffs in 2019)
CGY 3rd
CGY 4th
NYI 4th - (if Flames make playoffs in 2019)
CGY 5th
CGY 6th - traded to Carolina in Lack deal
CGY 7th
CAR 7th - acquired in Lack deal

2020:
CGY 1st
CGY 2nd - traded to Islanders (if Flames don't make playoffs in 2019)
CGY 3rd
CGY 4th
NYI 4th - acquired from Islanders (if Flames don't make playoffs in 2019)
CGY 5th
CGY 6th
CGY 7th

[Gaskal]

Must have been a fun trade call.

[Vinny01]

That Smith trade already was a steal but now it looks like an absolute fleecing

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That Smith trade already was a steal but now it looks like an absolute fleecing

Smith is still the Coyotes' highest paid goalie.

[bigrangy]

That's awesome if it is indeed the case. I always thought Hickey+2nd was a little steep even if I really didn't think much of Hickey at the time

He's been worth whyever they paid though haha

[Canada 02]

There is a chance the Coyotes end up with nothing from the Smith trade except a bill for nearly $3M

[albertGQ]

My head hurts. Lol

[albertGQ]

So basically the picks in the Hamonic trade has nothing to do with the Smith trade. Right?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So basically the picks in the Hamonic trade has nothing to do with the Smith trade. Right?

Right. There is no crossover.

Only pick involved in the Smith trade is potentially (likely) a 3rd round pick in 2018. Nothing else

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Smith is still the Coyotes' highest paid goalie.

Makes me laugh every time.

[Winsor_Pilates]

So Hamonic trade is likely to be a 1st and two 2nds?
That one is not looking good.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So Hamonic trade is likely to be a 1st and two 2nds?
That one is not looking good.

If He keeps playing like he has of late it will be fine

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So Hamonic trade is likely to be a 1st and two 2nds?
That one is not looking good.

If the Flames keep playing well and it turns out to be something like a #20, #50 and #50, I will consider it a great trade.

If it turns out to be a #31, #62 and #62, it will be one of the best trades in Flames history.

If it turns out to be a lottery pick and a 30-something pick and a 45ish pick, that would be a very different conversation.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So Hamonic trade is likely to be a 1st and two 2nds?
That one is not looking good.

Not likely it has always been that price since the day it was made

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So Hamonic trade is likely to be a 1st and two 2nds?
That one is not looking good.

Why is it that so many put so much value on magic beans? It's not like its a top 10 pick... Or even top 5. Even if we missed the playoffs, it'd probably be a 13-15 pick. It's very tough to pick a very good player there. Though, in recent drafts, there have been some great pick ups in those ranges.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If the Flames keep playing well and it turns out to be something like a #20, #50 and #50, I will consider it a great trade.

If it turns out to be a #31, #62 and #62, it will be one of the best trades in Flames history.

If it turns out to be a lottery pick and a 30-something pick and a 45ish pick, that would be a very different conversation.

Flames have to make the playoffs this season or it's a disaster. If they do and he plays well you have to consider it the cost of business in improving your team via trade.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Why is it that so many put so much value on magic beans? It's not like its a top 10 pick... Or even top 5. Even if we missed the playoffs, it'd probably be a 13-15 pick. It's very tough to pick a very good player there. Though, in recent drafts, there have been some great pick ups in those ranges.

I'm not trying to dump on Hamonic, just seemed like a lot of magic beans compared to what I would expect.

Admittedly, I pay very little attention to most off ice matters (market value of players, trades, salary cap etc.), so probably was the reality of acquiring that type of player in the off season.