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Old 01-15-2019, 03:31 PM   #61
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It was a non binding vote, what you lot don't understand (and why would you, this is a peculiarly British delusion) that this was never a vote about leaving the EU, the Tory's wanted to end the anti EU rump in their party, what they didn't factor in is that their policies over the last ten years have decimated the UK for ordinary voter and most of the leave voters were just pissed off at the world in general and the Tories in particular.





The UK prides itself on being a world power but life for the ordinary voter is grim and poor compared to things here, the country is dirty badly run, roads are dreadful, the police barely functioning the health service falling apart.

But there’s always the weather.
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What will be interesting is if those that voted against the Brexit deal actually studied it all or just voted against it to spite Theresa May.
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Old 01-15-2019, 04:49 PM   #63
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What will be interesting is if those that voted against the Brexit deal actually studied it all or just voted against it to spite Theresa May.

Half the country voted against Brexit in all forms, about 15% voted for it wanting a hard Brexit (no trade deals with the EU at all, just out completely) about 35% voted for it wanting a soft Brexit, and most of those didn't really vote for Brexit all but as a general vote against the way their lives have gone.


As it stands any kind of Brexit at all is disliked to hated by at least 65% of the voters, and that's before it does the inevitable economic damage to a country already suffering from a decade of grim austerity, the areas that voted leave are, incidently the same areas that will be devastated economically by Brexit, it is the equivalent of Alberta voting Green.

The MP's at this point are just trying to work out how to do the least political damage to themselves and their party and survive what's coming down the pipe.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:48 PM   #64
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Some of the British papers are being savage with their front pages tomorrow/today:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1085306408017559553

https://twitter.com/user/status/1085306011135758341
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:23 PM   #65
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So are all “Suns” garbage tabloid newspapers?
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So are all “Suns” garbage tabloid newspapers?

The inaptly named "Vancouver Sun" is actually a good paper.
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So are all “Suns” garbage tabloid newspapers?
Yes. I believe the Toronto Sun was modeled on the UK Sun and all the other ones in Canada (except the Vancouver Sun which had been around for years before) were based on the Toronto one.
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How was this not commented on? Is this something that everyone's seen and I'm just now getting to? This is absolutely amazing. FFS, Labour should buy this and run it as an ad, unedited.
When I first posted it, I messed up the link, so it was "video not found". It may have lost some worthy attention before I ninja edited.
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One interesting thing about Brexit is how it has split both parties. As an old-school lefty, Labour leader Corbyn has always been a Euro-skeptic. And Labour's traditional heartland, the working class North, voted strongly leave on Brexit.

I wonder if we'll see a dramatic realignment of the parties once this is all said and done.
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They must be laughing their asses off in Brussels.
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They must be laughing their asses off in Brussels.
Without doubt.

I was wondering about this - Why doesn't the EU simply say "You want out, fine you're out. See you in 6 months to negotiate a trade deal." Get rid of the headache, let Ireland deal with their northern boarder, watch some economic chaos, get a better deal.

(in the meantime, Canada could try to work out a great "we help a brother out as best we can" deal. Not that it would solve any of their problems, that whole economies of scale thing.)

I think part of the UK's problem is that everyone thinks they can have their cake and eat it too, but no one can agree on the flavour of the cake.

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Without doubt. I was wondering about this - Why doesn't the EU simply say "You want out, fine you're out. See you in 6 months to negotiate a trade deal." Get rid of the headache, let Ireland deal with their northern boarder, watch some economic chaos, get a better deal.
That's a great plan. Throw out Ireland with the UK. Any other countries you'd like to arbitrarily punish?
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That's a great plan. Throw out Ireland with the UK. Any other countries you'd like to arbitrarily punish?
Poland, if you could. Thanks!
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lol, that woman has more political lives than a cat
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Her government is fooked, it'll be political deadlocks. I don't see how she can get anything done at this point.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:32 PM   #77
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lol, that woman has more political lives than a cat
Pretty sure no one else wants to take over his gong show.

Pretty sweet deal the Opposition has.
Keep voting against any deals she can broker, knowing you can't do any better, and you can still vote against a non-confidence motion to make sure you don't have to step up to try to do better.

Pretty good way to make sure you don't get any dirt on yourself while still throwing as much as you can.
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Pretty sure no one else wants to take over his gong show.

Pretty sweet deal the Opposition has.
Keep voting against any deals she can broker, knowing you can't do any better, and you can still vote against a non-confidence motion to make sure you don't have to step up to try to do better.

Pretty good way to make sure you don't get any dirt on yourself while still throwing as much as you can.

What are you talking about? Every single opposition MP voted for the non-confidence motion except for the DUP.
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At this point it seems that the likely path will be try a couple more time to get a deal but eventually be forced into another referendum when they don't get approved. That referendum will be solidly in the "remain" camp if only so people don't have to listen to the deal making again and because the deal they are going to get is not a good one. That'll be the end of it for the bulk of the general public.

It seems the only way out for the politicians. The Labour and other parties will vote down every deal along with half of her own party and then everyone in parliament will make sure she gets propped back up somehow so they don't have to deal with the issue.

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lol, that woman has more political lives than a cat
Today's vote is no surprise.
Just people voting on party lines.
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Her government is fooked, it'll be political deadlocks. I don't see how she can get anything done at this point.
She still has a minority government
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