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Classic_Sniper · 03-05-2019, 11:12 AM

I'm really down on Monahan right now. He's plodding out there right now, his shot doesn't look dangerous and he's just downright invisible most games. Gaudreau in turn has to overcompensate by trying too hard to beat guys one on one and it's leading to turnovers. I'd like to see Gaudreau get a shot with Jankowski right now who's playing very well right now.

Maybe Bennett can help pick up Monahan's game with his tenacity and heavy game whereas Gaudreau might will benefit from Jankowski who can play with a little more pace, can hold onto the puck a little longer and has that underrated shot that we don't see enough of. I'd like to see a practice where lines are completely mixed up just to try something different and maybe create a spark or throw-off the opposition's game plan.

Gaudreau-Jankowski-Czarnik
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Bennett-Monahan-Frolik
Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway

SuperMatt18 · 03-05-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

PP is 23rd in the league since Feb 1. 3rd in PP opportunities.

19th in PK%

17th in the league in goals for since Feb 1.

12th in the league in goals against since Feb 1.

19th in Even Strength goals for since Feb 1.

To me, it comes down to tkachuk:

5 points since Feb 1 (15 games). That is tied with Mangiapane, Czarnik, Frolik, Janko and Bennett.

On February 1st, Tkachuk was 1 point behind Lindholm (57 points to 58). Since then, Lindholm has 14 points compared to Tkachuk's 5.

And really it's the top 6 forward group as a whole that's been an issue.

During that 15 game stretch the defense group has contributed 10 goals - which is pretty good.

Bottom 6 forwards have scored 16 goals which is also pretty good - since I think if you get a goal per game from your bottom 6 you're in good shape.

So we are getting 1.7 GPG from our defense and bottom 6 over the last 15.

However we only have 18 goals in 15 games from our top 6 forwards with 10 of those coming from Backlund and Lindholm - or only 1.2 GPG from the top 6.

Tkachuk: 2 goals in 15 games (11 goal pace over 82)
Gaudreau: 1 goal in 15 games (6 goal pace over 82)
Monahan: 3 goals in 15 games (15 goal pace over 82)
Frolik: 2 goals in 15 games (11 goal pace over 82)

4 of our top 6 forwards are playing at under a 15 goal pace for the season since Feb. 1. That's not great for your goals for total.

Luckily the Flames have been able to tighten up a little defensively in that time for the most part with an 8-5-2 record - but SJS have gained 5 points on us in this last 15 game stretch for each team (11-3-1)

Flash Walken · 03-05-2019, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And really it's the top 6 forward group as a whole that's been an issue.

During that 15 game stretch the defense group has contributed 10 goals - which is pretty good.

Bottom 6 forwards have scored 16 goals which is also pretty good - since I think if you get a goal per game from your bottom 6 you're in good shape.

So we are getting 1.7 GPG from our defense and bottom 6 over the last 15.

However we only have 18 goals in 15 games from our top 6 forwards with 10 of those coming from Backlund and Lindholm - or only 1.2 GPG from the top 6.

Tkachuk: 2 goals in 15 games (11 goal pace over 82)
Gaudreau: 1 goal in 15 games (6 goal pace over 82)
Monahan: 3 goals in 15 games (15 goal pace over 82)
Frolik: 2 goals in 15 games (11 goal pace over 82)

4 of our top 6 forwards are playing at under a 15 goal pace for the season since Feb. 1. That's not great for your goals for total.

Luckily the Flames have been able to tighten up a little defensively in that time for the most part with an 8-5-2 record - but SJS have gained 5 points on us in this last 15 game stretch for each team (11-3-1)

Yep, great post.

Last I looked, the Sharks had eclipsed the Flames in goals for on the season as well due to this recent month+ stretch of lacking offense.

Bingo · 03-05-2019, 11:32 AM

Flames forwards points/60 since February 1st

Code:

Player	Total Points/60
Austin Czarnik	3.41
Derek Ryan	2.72
Elias Lindholm	2.46
Mikael Backlund	2.25
Andrew Mangiapane	2.15
Mark Jankowski	1.87
James Neal	1.79
Johnny Gaudreau	1.58
Sam Bennett	1.45
Sean Monahan	1.36
Michael Frolik	1.19
Garnet Hathaway	0.93
Matthew Tkachuk	0.57

- Tkachuk in last place!
- Lindholm and Backlund the only top six forwards in the top six.
- Look at Mangiapane go!

Chance generation since Feb 1st for the same forwards ...

Code:

Player	iSCF/60	iHDCF/60
Andrew Mangiapane	12.48	6.89
Austin Czarnik	10.92	5.46
Garnet Hathaway	11.14	5.11
Sam Bennett	10.12	4.34
Derek Ryan	5.44	4.08
Matthew Tkachuk	7.75	4.02
Mikael Backlund	9	3.94
Michael Frolik	9.8	3.56
Sean Monahan	9.25	3.54
James Neal	6.25	2.68
Johnny Gaudreau	8.18	2.64
Mark Jankowski	9.37	2.62
Elias Lindholm	6.46	2.15

- Gaudreau and Monahan not creating much, that's a concern.
- Bennett continues to create and not finish
- Calgary may have something in Mangiapane.

SuperMatt18 · 03-05-2019, 11:42 AM

These last couple posts is also why the Flames need to be careful with how we tweak the bottom 6.

They are keeping us afloat right now. So really you can try to mix it up and hope it works out to get the top 6 going, or just be patient knowing that the top 6 will likely get out of this funk eventually and hopefully if that happens we have both our top 6 and bottom 6 going at the same time.

sureLoss · 03-05-2019, 11:51 AM

Interesting line shake ups by Peters today.

Derek Wills @Fan960Wills
now
#Flames lines and pairings at practice:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Backlund-Lindholm
Bennett-Jankowski-Czarnik
Frolik-Ryan-Hathaway
Lazar

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Brodie-Prout
Fantenberg-Kylington

Rittich
Smith

TheScorpion · 03-05-2019, 11:52 AM

Well, that's different. Like it.

Bingo · 03-05-2019, 11:56 AM

and seconds after I posted they may have something in Mangiapane. Good to see he's being rewarded for creating.

SuperMatt18 · 03-05-2019, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

These last couple posts is also why the Flames need to be careful with how we tweak the bottom 6.

They are keeping us afloat right now. So really you can try to mix it up and hope it works out to get the top 6 going, or just be patient knowing that the top 6 will likely get out of this funk eventually and hopefully if that happens we have both our top 6 and bottom 6 going at the same time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Interesting line shake ups by Peters today.

Derek Wills @Fan960Wills
now
#Flames lines and pairings at practice:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Backlund-Lindholm
Bennett-Jankowski-Czarnik
Frolik-Ryan-Hathaway
Lazar

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Brodie-Prout
Fantenberg-Kylington

Rittich
Smith

Have to say I do like the look of Mangiapane on that second line though, and if you're going to shake up the bottom 6 that's probably the least disruptive thing you can do.

Not sure I like those three on the top line together though - just doesn't mesh well IMO.

Split98 · 03-05-2019, 11:57 AM

I'd be swinging for the fences to get the top 6 going right now...

I really like the idea Poe posted of

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Bennett

I'd try a 1st line of

Gaudreau - Monahan - Mangiapane

And fill out the rest of the forwards with something like

Jankowski - Backlund - Czarnik
Lazar - Ryan - Hathaway

Buff · 03-05-2019, 11:58 AM

I thought Mangiapane was really good against Toronto. He deserves this shot on the 2nd line.

PeteMoss · 03-05-2019, 12:02 PM

Mangiapane has been very good of late and hasn't been getting thrown around lately. Czarnik still gets tossed all over the place so I worry for his health or being able to keep playing at the level he's played at lately - but he's been quite good as well.

Flash Walken · 03-05-2019, 12:04 PM

the last time we saw gaudreau and monahan with tkachuk it was freakin' ugly. DOn't know how i feel about that.

Split98 · 03-05-2019, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Interesting line shake ups by Peters today.

Derek Wills @Fan960Wills
now
#Flames lines and pairings at practice:

[...]

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Brodie-Prout
Fantenberg-Kylington

[...]

Good to see Giordano-Andersson back together. Brodie hasn't looked very good out there, and that combo of him and Stone could be his contribution going forward this year. Pairing him with Prout right now sets up well for that.

Would Valimaki-Kylington be a good 3rd pairing out there?

If so... being able to roll combos of this in the playoffs gives you a lot of looks game to game

...

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Kylington
Brodie-Stone
Fantenberg-Prout

TheScorpion · 03-05-2019, 12:06 PM

Really think the Flames will be motivated to come out hard against Vegas tomorrow. They're due for an explosive first period.

The Flames have gotten 61% of all 5v5 shot attempts in the last two games. They've absolutely dominated play.

They've gotten .813 SV% from their goalies at even strength. I don't care who's in net -- that's not sustainable, and it's bound to improve.

They're shooting 5.4% in March. That's similar to the Ottawa Senators' rate. It's also bound to improve.

Flash Walken · 03-05-2019, 12:07 PM

Prout i guess is the response to reeves?

Frankly, Prout has been a pleasant surprise this year in what he brings to the ice surface with his gloves on.

Toonage · 03-05-2019, 12:07 PM

And now Peters saying these might not be the lines tomorrow

https://twitter.com/user/status/1103008137940889600

Toonage · 03-05-2019, 12:09 PM

For the browser impaired

Derek Wills
✔
@Fan960Wills

#Flames Bill Peters just told us the lines today might be the lines tomorrow vs. #GoldenKnights...or they might not. Lots of options.

burn_this_city · 03-05-2019, 12:12 PM

Starting to wonder if the forthcoming contract negotiations are weighing on Tkachuk. He might be putting additional pressure on himself.

Boreal · 03-05-2019, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Derek Wills has the worst takes on the Fan 960.

It’s even worse when you consider he was the most recent hire with what should be a more fresh arms length assessment of players/coaching/analysis of the organization.

I realized pretty quickly into his first season that his hits on the radio were pointless to listen to.

I would prefer Loubo does play by play & they hire a former player like Sarich to do colour. But, I doubt he’s interested in the travel etc.

Despite his penchant for players as human beings, Peter actually breaks down the team/games/results into the components & aspects of a hockey game, at least more than anyone else on the station.

He’s not perfect but he doesn’t hang his hat on random thoughts or sporadic things he sees behind the scenes like Derek.