Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Oilers ended up dodging a bullet by missing out on the Jacob Markstrom sweepstakes. They pivoted at that point and ended up with Tyson Barrie, that would not have happened if they had landed Markstrom. The problem for them this year with a flat salary cap is RNH and Barrie are UFA's, will be tough to sign them both.

Barrie is going to cash. You don't make the gamble that he did (which he is winning) and then decide that you don't want the payoff. He will be offered a long term big money deal. If the Oilers are smart, they will dodge that bullet as well. I could see them giving him the Pietrangelo contract though.

[topfiverecords]

Barrie will get RNH’s money when he leaves. Then they’ll trade a couple seconds for an upcoming UFA to fill his spot.

[troutman]

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[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Barrie is going to cash. You don't make the gamble that he did (which he is winning) and then decide that you don't want the payoff. He will be offered a long term big money deal. If the Oilers are smart, they will dodge that bullet as well. I could see them giving him the Pietrangelo contract though.

The Oilers are is a tough spot the next 2 summers. They have cap space but they have 3 key guys becoming UFA's in the next 2 years and all 3 are nowhere near what they numbers say the are.

Nuge is putting up numbers that suggest he could command $7.5 to $8. IMO he is no better than Monahan and is really just a $6 mil player. I'm not saying he won't sign for less than $7.5 but I doubt he takes less than $7 and IMO he isn't worth that in a league that will have a flat cap for a couple years

Barrie is putting up numbers that could get him $8.5 +. IMO he also is probably a $6 mil player.

Nurse is putting up numbers that could get him $10 mil. He's on pace for what could be a 30 goal season and 60+ points and a +50 season. IMO he is probably a $7 mil player (Maybe less but he is playing well this year)

I just don't see Edmonton having any forward prospects that have a hope of making an impact on this team in the next 2 years. Nuge will be tough to lose but he also is a huge risk of getting over paid.

Barrie probably signed there to pad his stats so I doubt he even commits to Edmonton.

Nurse contract history doesn't suggest he is 100% wanting to stay in Edmonton his whole career.

They can't afford to give these guys bad contract, can't afford to just lose them and are not in a position to trade them. They also typically don't attract replacement's via UFA and they are already short picks this year to trade for some good players with good contracts

Can't imagine McDavid and Draisaitl would be happy losing these guys for nothing.

They also have the wrong goalie playing well. If Koskinen was playing like Smith maybe they could ignore that position this off season. Their fans think they dodged a bullet not signing Markstrom but he's still way better than Koskinen and Smith is 39. He is a bandaid too. He could get hurt at the wrong time and their season is over quickly. His play could always slip very quickly too

[djsFlames]

Put me in the camp that's glad Barrie is earning an overpriced and overlong extension there, which Edmonton will pay for to keep him. Side benefit is it seals Nuge's departure.

Top heavy team gets even more lopsided.

[stang]

No clue where you guys get your info from. Barrie/Holland haven’t even talked contract ext. RNH is in negotiations and reported in the 6-6.5 range. Don’t think they will be signing Barrie to a massive contract and send Nuge packing.

I like Barrie but am ok if he walks. He bet on himself and it’s paying off. Klefbom had successful surgery and if he’s back softens the blow. Plus I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Bouchard and think he is going to be a player in the mood of Barrie anyways.


Not a terrible problem to have.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by stang

No clue where you guys get your info from. Barrie/Holland haven’t even talked contract ext. RNH is in negotiations and reported in the 6-6.5 range. Don’t think they will be signing Barrie to a massive contract and send Nuge packing.

I like Barrie but am ok if he walks. He bet on himself and it’s paying off. Klefbom had successful surgery and if he’s back softens the blow. Plus I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Bouchard and think he is going to be a player in the mood of Barrie anyways.


Not a terrible problem to have.

RNH would be dumb not to test the UFA market and see what offers are available before committing to the Oilers.

[stang]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

RNH would be dumb not to test the UFA market and see what offers are available before committing to the Oilers.

Ok.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by stang

No clue where you guys get your info from. Barrie/Holland haven’t even talked contract ext. RNH is in negotiations and reported in the 6-6.5 range. Don’t think they will be signing Barrie to a massive contract and send Nuge packing.

I like Barrie but am ok if he walks. He bet on himself and it’s paying off. Klefbom had successful surgery and if he’s back softens the blow. Plus I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Bouchard and think he is going to be a player in the mood of Barrie anyways.


Not a terrible problem to have.

I like your line of thinking. Let Barrie walk, assuming RNH is going to stay. Planning for Klefbom back from a year off and rookie Bouchard slotted into #3 is all you need. Then RNH leaves anyway. Holland then takes his spare cash and overpays a post apex UFA forward. Bingo bango bongo, multiple Stanley Cups full of Ron MacLean wine or beer.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by stang

No clue where you guys get your info from. Barrie/Holland haven’t even talked contract ext. RNH is in negotiations and reported in the 6-6.5 range. Don’t think they will be signing Barrie to a massive contract and send Nuge packing.

I like Barrie but am ok if he walks. He bet on himself and it’s paying off. Klefbom had successful surgery and if he’s back softens the blow. Plus I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Bouchard and think he is going to be a player in the mood of Barrie anyways.


Not a terrible problem to have.

We're speculating on a message board.

If Holland can stop himself on Barrie, that will be a win. But he hasn't been the most reliable at this trait, so it's interesting to speculate on, of course.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

This may have been asked and answered on previous posts here or on a another forum, but why is James Neal riding in the Taxi? Is he slightly injured or something.


He's only played 17 games or so.... and I know he hasn't been great... but remember last year when he and McDavid were going all around on the video tour, he was one of the "in" four.... and is he OUT now?


I'm so glad he was better last year, just good enough to get us a third round pick, and if he's "OUT" and sucking now, that's just icing.

I think the Oilers should buy him out, which is what the Flames should have done in the first place.

That or offer someone a first rounder to take the last two years but that is probably a non starter...... I think Toronto had to pay a first to dump one year of Marleau.

[pikester]

I think everyone, especially Holland, realizes Barrie purposely signed a below average 1 year deal with Edmonton just to pad his stats to get big money. Unless Barrie absolutely ends up loving being in Edmonton & signs a team friendly 3-5 year deal ( which is unlikely), he walks & the Oilers move on as expected. They’d be further ahead throwing some assets & draft picks at Nashville for Ekholm if they want to get serious about picking up a good, seasoned top 4 defenseman. He has only a $3.75 mil cap hit this year & next; That gives Holland a bit of time to make the numbers work as time for an extension nears.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think the Oilers should buy him out, which is what the Flames should have done in the first place.

That or offer someone a first rounder to take the last two years but that is probably a non starter...... I think Toronto had to pay a first to dump one year of Marleau.

The Flames did a buy out to sign someone. Brouwer got bought out to sign Neal which was a big mistake. At some point you can’t just keep making that move

Oil probably better off trading a first to get rid of Neal. But they already lost a 3rd and retained salary on lucic. Now trade a first seems like it getting very expensive to get rid of lucic/neal

Also the oilers are potential buyers this deadline and already down a 2nd and 3rd. Trade the 4th for a rental and a first to get rid of Neal. First pick next draft could be a 5th in a year they could lose 2 big ufas

I get Klefbom coming back makes losing Barrie not that bad but how many years lost to shoulder surgery will it take for him to not be that good anymore?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by pikester

I think everyone, especially Holland, realizes Barrie purposely signed a below average 1 year deal with Edmonton just to pad his stats to get big money. Unless Barrie absolutely ends up loving being in Edmonton & signs a team friendly 3-5 year deal ( which is unlikely), he walks & the Oilers move on as expected. They’d be further ahead throwing some assets & draft picks at Nashville for Ekholm if they want to get serious about picking up a good, seasoned top 4 defenseman. He has only a $3.75 mil cap hit this year & next; That gives Holland a bit of time to make the numbers work as time for an extension nears.

Not sure what the oilers would trade. If they did I assume their first isn’t enough. Down picks already and important players being ufas can they trade top prospects or firsts to get him

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by stang

Ok.

Well, it's true?

It's so Oilers fan to be adverse to any reality that isn't pro-Oilers, best case scenario in your minds.

You assume what you want will happen when you guys have a long and fruitful track record of your management finding ways to #### these things up.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by stang

No clue where you guys get your info from. Barrie/Holland haven’t even talked contract ext. RNH is in negotiations and reported in the 6-6.5 range. Don’t think they will be signing Barrie to a massive contract and send Nuge packing.

Where is your info coming from?
I'd be surprised to see RNH sign that cheap, lots of teams need a top 6 centre.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Where is your info coming from?
I'd be surprised to see RNH sign that cheap, lots of teams need a top 6 centre.

RNH is a 2C. Frankly 6-6.5 is pretty much the top end. It’s Braden Schenn money, which seems more than fair.

[CaptainCrunch]

Except there's always one of two GM's that are willing to blow their brains out. RNH isn't great but he can play center and wing, and is fairly responsible and has some nice offensive skills.



Add to that he might be one of the most in demand free agents out there, and his agent is screaming don't sign crap.

[stang]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Well, it's true?

It's so Oilers fan to be adverse to any reality that isn't pro-Oilers, best case scenario in your minds.

You assume what you want will happen when you guys have a long and fruitful track record of your management finding ways to #### these things up.

I don’t know how that’s adverse to reality, but I do know it’s been stated that he wants to stay in Edmonton, his wife wants to as well, and they are currently talking extension. You’re the one making up anti-oilers worst case scenarios here.

Originally Posted by Jacks

Where is your info coming from?
I'd be surprised to see RNH sign that cheap, lots of teams need a top 6 centre.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Except there's always one of two GM's that are willing to blow their brains out. RNH isn't great but he can play center and wing, and is fairly responsible and has some nice offensive skills.



Add to that he might be one of the most in demand free agents out there, and his agent is screaming don't sign crap.

Fair enough. Unless the feelers in this weird off season say he’s getting lowball offers from other teams. He’s a guy lots of teams already have. And can’t afford two of.