The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have faith in Glen, while I may not agree with some of his ice time decisions he is an NHL coach and I am not so who am I to question it? I think he is a brilliant guy and he will turn this around.

GG supporters keep saying he's brilliant, but I don't see where the evidence of that is. What am I missing?

I see a career NHL head coach with a record of slightly better than .500. And no playoff success. Not sure that counts as brilliant.

And every single person who watches the Flames knows he overplays his favourite players. You don't have to be an NHL coach to know Stajan should not be getting over 13 minutes of ice a night.

[dino7c]

Should have had a goal or two in the first if they shot the puck and hit the net

[DJones]

Worst thing is that the team is boring now.

Took a non-hockey fan to the Carolina game and felt like I had to apologize for wasting his time.

Tonight was about the same.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

GG supporters keep saying he's brilliant, but I don't see where the evidence of that is. What am I missing?

I see a career NHL head coach with a record of slightly better than .500. And no playoff success. Not sure that counts as brilliant.

And every single person who watches the Flames knows he overplays his favourite players. You don't have to be an NHL coach to know Stajan should not be getting over 13 minutes of ice a night.

pretty sure he is just trying to get you guys goin'

[Inferno]

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

So if we fire GG do I get unblocked by lots of people?

There are over 6 billion human beings in the world. While it's possible a infinitesimal percentage of that population may care about a stranger's internet habits, it's unlikely "lots" of them will do as you suggest.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

GG supporters keep saying he's brilliant, but I don't see where the evidence of that is. What am I missing?

I see a career NHL head coach with a record of slightly better than .500. And no playoff success. Not sure that counts as brilliant.

And every single person who watches the Flames knows he overplays his favourite players. You don't have to be an NHL coach to know Stajan should not be getting over 13 minutes of ice a night.

You go google GG on talking hockey and systems or even listen to him address the problems with this group right now and if you know anything about hockey you can tell he is a real smart hockey coach. Four coaches who think highly of GG are Torts, Babcock, Hitchcock, and Quenneville. I think they know a little about coaching hockey.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DJones

Coaching seems like the biggest problem with this team right now. Playing well below the sum of their parts.

A lack of confidence on offence is the biggest problem right now. Players over passing and not shooting when they have a legitimate shot on goal. I can't remember the number of times cursed when they had a shot but instead tried to make the prefect play.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I'll say it yet again-we were arguably the best team in the league in the second half of last season, and we for sure were the best for a stretch of almost 2 months. That certainly is not due to Elliott playing well.

And we were hot garbage half the season, amazing for a quarter and so so for a quarter. That's how you seek into the playoffs.

We have been plain bad this year.

For people who support GG, he gets all the credit for wins, and none for losses.

Reminds me of Shelbyville. "Undisciplined kids, that's why we beat their football team nearly half the time".

People just focus on that one hot streak and ignore everything else.

[dash_pinched]

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

You have absolutely no idea if this is true.

I feel like I do, actually, even if it's not concrete. I have a pretty decent idea of what Darryl Sutter's coaching style resembles and it stopped working in L.A. once the team started to resemble the Flames a bit more, with more skill guys and speed present instead of the Dwight Kings and Jordan Nolans and Robyn Regehrs of the Cup-winning teams. Sutter tried to adjust to a more speed-based system which didn't work and rendered guys like Gaborik and Kopitar and Brown almost useless. He's even worse at adjusting than Gulutzan is.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Dion

A lack of confidence on offence is the biggest problem right now. Players over passing and not shooting when they have a legitimate shot on goal. I can't remember the number of times cursed when they had a shot but instead tried to make the prefect play.

I dont remember Sutter's flames team lacking confidence except when he was instilling an identity in early-2003.

When a whole team lacks confidence its a coaching issue. GG has had over one season to instill an identity and build team confidence. He has failed.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Darryl Sutter held the Kings back for two years after they missed the playoffs in 2015. He's an absolutely terrible coach who runs a system completely incompatible with the Flames' style.

What is the Flames style? As for Sutter he has a shelf life no doubt, but his upside is rather good don't you think?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You go google GG on talking hockey and systems or even listen to him address the problems with this group right now and if you know anything about hockey you can tell he is a real smart hockey coach. Four coaches who think highly of GG are Torts, Babcock, Hitchcock, and Quenneville. I think they know a little about coaching hockey.

Talking a good game means nothing. And you think when an interviewer asked those coaches about GG they are going to trash him in public? It's a Platitude. Not a single one of them thought highly enough of him to give him an assistant coaching job after he was fired in Dallas.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Oh man, we're really pushing back to the classics now. Is Gaudreauvertime somewhere around here?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You go google GG on talking hockey and systems or even listen to him address the problems with this group right now and if you know anything about hockey you can tell he is a real smart hockey coach. Four coaches who think highly of GG are Torts, Babcock, Hitchcock, and Quenneville. I think they know a little about coaching hockey.

Throw Kevin Lowe in there.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Talking a good game means nothing. And you think when an interviewer asked those coaches about GG they are going to trash him in public? It's a Platitude. Not a single one of them thought highly enough of him to give him an assistant coaching job after he was fired in Dallas.

Ummm GG was assistant to Torts in Vancouver.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jesus Christ. Talk about a ####ing knee-jerk reaction. It's been eleven games and this is hardly the most surprising start to a season in the NHL. The way I've seen it, while I agree that specialty teams need to be improved, that's Dave Cameron's responsibility and his track record is the opposite of pristine. In terms of an actual system, well, we saw from December to March last year what Gulutzan's system can look like when it's implemented properly.

From where I sit, the Flames are already well ahead of their development curve when compared to last year and are in a much better position moving forward. If I was to make a change, I'd change around some of the forwards on the roster and maybe consider an external addition, but again, that's not on Gulutzan, it's Treliving's job.

Also, for the record, Gulutzan is hardly "inexperienced". He has over five years of NHL coaching experience.

I think with this post....you are showing that you're still a kid and lack the depth of hockey knowledge required to recognize the signs of Gulutzan's failure.

This guy is to the Flames as Mike Johnston was to Crosby and the Penguins. Please rid the team of this plague.

[GullFoss]

Hey Scorpion,

If the flames had gotten average goaltending to start the season, what would their record be today?

I count 3-7 -> they deserved wins in the Anahiem, Winnepeg and Vancouver games

[tkflames]

Pray to the hockey gods that AV gets fired by the Rags. Considering where we got to from mid December to end of season last year...it is shocking that this team is literally struggling with the same issues....