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View Poll Results: What re-rate package should we go with
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Number 1
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Number 2
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46.43% |
06-15-2021, 07:09 PM
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#101
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something else haha
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Originally Posted by Quigz17
Package 2 absolutely destroys my goaltending. Can't support that.
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Sorry, going to call you out here. Just because it hurts your team isn’t the goal here.
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06-15-2021, 07:10 PM
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#102
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swayze11
Sorry, going to call you out here. Just because it hurts your team isn’t the goal here.
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Meh, I think it's OK. Don't want to be too socialist 
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06-15-2021, 07:11 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by agulati
My forwards have a substantial leg up in package 2 and my d have a not as substantial leg up in package 1, so I’m honestly okay either way. I just think Package 1 rates do better justice
The league has turnover and new GMs might have different ideas from those who were part of the setup earlier on. Never bad idea to take the pulse of what the GM group evolution thinks.
We’ve never cared and shouldn’t now doesn’t hold weight in that situation. Yes, every year some teams have it easier than others, but this year has been stark in that facet.
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I'm certainly not discouraging the conversation, I was adding my opion on it. If you disagree that's fine. I'm not saying I'm right. As I said, I'm voting against my best interest here in the interests of the league, as I see it.
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06-15-2021, 07:22 PM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Frederik andersen is an 88 in one and a 67 in the other.
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06-15-2021, 07:22 PM
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#105
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First Line Centre
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Stage is set for a tie
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06-15-2021, 07:22 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
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14-12. Looks like it is going to be #1.
I do wonder if the most fair thing would be to at least lower the DU ratings of players who didn't play at all last year. I don't want to change the ratings much, but just as we were going to add those guys back in package #2 is it fair to make an adjustment in package #1?
Although it's just a few players, that seems like the most unfair outcome of all this.
And I acknowledge this entire situation sucks. I don't like sudden or unpredictable changes in these things - but again - COVID has really thrown some of this stuff into haywire beyond our control.
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06-15-2021, 07:23 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Frederik andersen is an 88 in one and a 67 in the other.
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Ugh I hope you didn't vote on that basis. I was hoping people voted on the ratings package overall - not what was good for their team.
He should have a bad rating. He was terrible this season.
Part of me wants to say this is why for some of these things we don't put it to league vote. Though in this case that would have been unlikely to change the outcome as the commissioners voted 3-1 for #1, with me being the lone vote for 2. So we would have ended up in the same spot I suppose .
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06-15-2021, 07:24 PM
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#108
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Frederik andersen is an 88 in one and a 67 in the other.
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Look at what number rated goalie he is vs his rating. Hellebuyck is a 90 in the first one and 77 in the 2nd one but basically equal based on what ranking he is.
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06-15-2021, 07:25 PM
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#109
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Uncle Chester
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Originally Posted by agulati
My forwards have a substantial leg up in package 2 and my d have a not as substantial leg up in package 1, so I’m honestly okay either way. I just think Package 1 rates do better justice
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I'm in the same boat as you. My top line forwards are better in #2 but my defense is better (overall) in #1. I'll be fine with either option. I do though disagree that the 1st package rates "do better justice". They seem really out of whack to me. It seems like an odd change for us to go to a 50/50 now. I just don't see why we should change how we've been doing it for so long. Because some GMs like their ratings better? That's not how we want to do this, is it?
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06-15-2021, 07:26 PM
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#110
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
14-12. Looks like it is going to be #1.
I do wonder if the most fair thing would be to at least lower the DU ratings of players who didn't play at all last year. I don't want to change the ratings much, but just as we were going to add those guys back in package #2 is it fair to make an adjustment in package #1?
Although it's just a few players, that seems like the most unfair outcome of all this.
And I acknowledge this entire situation sucks. I don't like sudden or unpredictable changes in these things - but again - COVID has really thrown some of this stuff into haywire beyond our control.
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So you're suggesting we keep all of the Kucherov/Toews/Klefbom/etc ratings the same from package #1 except we simply lower their DU ratings, and only their DU ratings?
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06-15-2021, 07:27 PM
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#111
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Uncle Chester
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Frederik andersen is an 88 in one and a 67 in the other.
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Yikes. That is a huge difference.
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06-15-2021, 07:27 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
So you're suggesting we keep all of the Kucherov/Toews/Klefbom/etc ratings the same from package #1 except we simply lower their DU ratings, and only their DU ratings?
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Lowering the DU ratings will impact their OVR but not really their overall effectiveness as players except they will be more at risk to get injured.
So yeah something like that. There should be some impact to them missing a full year.
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06-15-2021, 07:30 PM
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#113
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Lowering the DU ratings will impact their OVR but not really their overall effectiveness as players except they will be more at risk to get injured.
So yeah something like that. There should be some impact to them missing a full year.
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Yeah I think that's more than fair, so long as they all be lowered to the same DU rating. 45-50 maybe?
Who all are we talking, here?
Nikita Kucherov
Jonathan Toews
Oscar Klefbom
Ben Bishop
Morgan Frost
Zemgus Girgensons
Alex Nylander
Pavel Francouz
Erik Johnson
Tony DeAngelo*
Gustav Nyquist
Luca Sbisa
Michal Kempny
Henrik Lundqvist
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Last edited by TheScorpion; 06-15-2021 at 07:56 PM.
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06-15-2021, 07:31 PM
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#114
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Lowering the DU ratings will impact their OVR but not really their overall effectiveness as players except they will be more at risk to get injured.
So yeah something like that. There should be some impact to them missing a full year.
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For someone like deangelo, do you lower their DU or LD as they had no injuries but is a headcase
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06-15-2021, 07:35 PM
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#115
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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DeAngelo is a unique case for sure... I think lowering his LD and DI could make sense
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06-15-2021, 07:36 PM
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#116
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: N/A
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I’ll take a 70OV Kucherov please
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06-15-2021, 07:37 PM
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#117
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary
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Just got to my hotel. I need 15 to go over both and will vote soon
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06-15-2021, 07:41 PM
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#118
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Franchise Player
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I would simply increase Deangelo's DB score.
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06-15-2021, 07:43 PM
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#119
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I would simply increase Deangelo's DB score.
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###### Bag score? Makes sense
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06-15-2021, 07:50 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary
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Jiri, did you say that package 1 was the same that you've bought last year and the year before?
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