Origin of the Coronavirus

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Origin of coronavirus confirmed:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Dearlove.html

####. Are you serious with this?

Guy who used to be in charge in 2004, which is 15 years too late, “believes” that it was released from a Chinese lab. All from a notoriously right wing publication that is prone to false narratives and an absence of fact checking.

Call me when something real comes in. In the meantime, I’ll stick with science that has told us the lineage from bat to a possible pangolin. The truth isn’t always sexy, especially in this case.

[Playfair]

The Daily Mail is like the UK's version of the National Enquirer. Not the best source

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

####. Are you serious with this?

Guy who used to be in charge in 2004, which is 15 years too late, “believes” that it was released from a Chinese lab. All from a notoriously right wing publication that is prone to false narratives and an absence of fact checking.

Call me when something real comes in. In the meantime, I’ll stick with science that has told us the lineage from bat to a possible pangolin. The truth isn’t always sexy, especially in this case.

“Confirmed”

Actual article: “believes”, “claims”, “thinks”.

[VladtheImpaler]

Here is a more credible source, since picked up elsewhere, including Washington Post and Journal of Atomic Science (sorry, if I am butchering name):


Seem to have forgotten how to embed - here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5SRrsr-Iug

[Erick Estrada]

So bats and pangolins are still the leading candidates? Is there any possibility of regulating what can be sold at wet markets?

[Ironhorse]

That is a very interesting, intelligent and pragmatic analysis.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So bats and pangolins are still the leading candidates? Is there any possibility of regulating what can be sold at wet markets?

No chance. China doesn't have that kind of control over its citizens.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

No chance. China doesn't have that kind of control over its citizens.

Sarcasm? China can do whatever it wants to it's citizens if it decides too. Hell, they could probably just start a propaganda and shaming campaign to get rid of 99% of it, without lifting a finger on enforcement.

[corporatejay]

Complete sarcasm.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

That is a very interesting, intelligent and pragmatic analysis.

One benefit of this lockdown is that I have gotten to know the Weinstein brothers. I have come to realize is that my favourite podcasters/philosophers are from the "normal" left.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

That is a very interesting, intelligent and pragmatic analysis.

One benefit of this lockdown is that I have gotten to know the Weinstein brothers. I have come to realize is that my favourite podcasters/philosophers are from the "normal" left.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Here is a more credible source, since picked up elsewhere, including Washington Post and Journal of Atomic Science (sorry, if I am butchering name):


Seem to have forgotten how to embed - here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5SRrsr-Iug

Can’t believe nobody took the opportunity to note that the ‘more credible source’ is a Russian

Good old trustworthy Russia, they have never misinformed anyone!


Having said that, it seems interesting. Thing is, the link is for a 2 h podcast. So I have started but had to step away, will get back to it sometime

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Can’t believe nobody took the opportunity to note that the ‘more credible source’ is a Russian

Good old trustworthy Russia, they have never misinformed anyone!


Having said that, it seems interesting. Thing is, the link is for a 2 h podcast. So I have started but had to step away, will get back to it sometime

He is not a "source" - he is a scientist who analyzed the virus and the historical work done at that lab. They were not saying that this is conclusive proof. But, if you follow the analysis (and my biology studies ended with Biology 10) of the virus structure itself and consider what nature would normally produce, it seems that the likeliest source is the 2012 outbreak in a mine (with bats) in south China that infected 6 miners (killing 2); the Wuhan lab secured that virus in 2013 and has been "playing" around with it since, seeing how it might infect humans, and that the covid strain is possibly one of those "human-infecting" lab variants of that 2012 virus. Now, this is not malicious in any way - just regular bio research and unfortunate security breach. The lab has covered up all references to the 2012 virus and subsequent research, though rather ham-handedly. The conclusion of Weinstein (who is an evolutionary biologist, and happens to specialize in bats) and the Russian was that that on a balance of probabilities, the lab escape was a much likelier source than natural evolution. Again, I have almost zero knowledge of biology, but these guys did a really good job of explaining the information.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Dude, firstly, you do know that ‘source’ was your word, right? I quoted it directly

And I was just poking fun. Because, you know, of Russia and its widely reported involvement in disinformation campaigns

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Dude, firstly, you do know that ‘source’ was your word, right? I quoted it directly

And I was just poking fun. Because, you know, of Russia and its widely reported involvement in disinformation campaigns

Fair enough - I guess I should not have used "source" to imply it was some sort of inside information - I was referring to the combination of Brett Weinstein and the Russian dude as a good "analysis" - should have used that word.

[jeffman]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.dail...wastewater/amp

Covid 19 found in Barcelona as far back as March 2019

[GGG]

Originally Posted by jeffman

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.dail...wastewater/amp

Covid 19 found in Barcelona as far back as March 2019

Some suspect testing identified in the article. I wouldn’t be surprised if their January 2020 sample being positive is reasonable but to have 1 positive sample from March 2019 then negative samples for the rest of the year doesn’t seem plausible. Will be interesting how it fairs as it goes through peer review

I wonder at what population infection rate is it detectable in water.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by jeffman

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.dail...wastewater/amp

Covid 19 found in Barcelona as far back as March 2019

God I have not wanted to put any stock in this, but I had the worst dry cough that I couldn't shake in September/October while doing a movie up in Vegreville...

I know, I know...it's extremely doubtful that was COVID but...the mind wanders.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

God I have not wanted to put any stock in this, but I had the worst dry cough that I couldn't shake in September/October while doing a movie up in Vegreville...

I know, I know...it's extremely doubtful that was COVID but...the mind wanders.

There was that "100 day cough" that was going all around here in the fall/winter. I don't think that has anything to do with COVID

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by jeffman

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.dail...wastewater/amp

Covid 19 found in Barcelona as far back as March 2019

Yikes, I was in Barcelona from September to December 2019.
Definitely hadn't heard about it while I was there though