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Old 10-13-2020, 08:06 PM   #1561
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My dad needs a new PC and I have no idea what to recommend for him. He really only uses it for Facebook, Youtube and things like that but the computer he's using right now is ancient and he needs something a little quicker. I'm thinking pretty cheap because it doesn't need to be anything special, other than putting an SSD in it. Any ideas? I can build a gaming PC but I have no idea what to look for when it comes to low budget stuff like this. I'm thinking ideally under $4-500 including Windows? Even cheaper if possible. Not sure how realistic that is.
Ancient computers work just fine for that, if it has 4GB ram and an SSD he should be happy. Can you upgrade his? An SSD is like, $40 now. Windows 10 is free. Do a clean install and it would probably be fine. I guess that depends on how ancient. But I even did a Core2 Duo recently and it boots fast and has no problem with basic web stuff.
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Old 10-13-2020, 09:15 PM   #1562
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Does he really need a PC then? Would a tablet (iPad, Fire,...) work?

He likes his 27" monitor, otherwise that's probably the direction we would go.


The one he's using now is a 2009-10ish Dell all-in-one thing. Maybe just an SSD and a clean Windows install would be enough to make it work, I'm not sure. All I know is right now, it's slooooooooooow.
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Old 10-13-2020, 09:55 PM   #1563
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SSD and fresh install works wonders on old computers

also tell him to go easy on the pron
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Old 10-13-2020, 10:01 PM   #1564
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I'll try an SSD. 250GB Samsung on for $65 at Best Buy right now. That's the SSD I put in my mom's laptop and it made a huge difference, but that laptop is also like 8 years newer than this thing so I wasn't sure if that would be enough.
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Old 10-13-2020, 10:12 PM   #1565
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There's Chrome OS devices for driving a monitor too:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07CLMLX8T/ref=emc_b_5_t

https://www.amazon.ca/CHROMEBIT-Stic.../dp/B0181JTPCU
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My dad needs a new PC and I have no idea what to recommend for him. He really only uses it for Facebook, Youtube and things like that but the computer he's using right now is ancient and he needs something a little quicker. I'm thinking pretty cheap because it doesn't need to be anything special, other than putting an SSD in it. Any ideas? I can build a gaming PC but I have no idea what to look for when it comes to low budget stuff like this. I'm thinking ideally under $4-500 including Windows? Even cheaper if possible. Not sure how realistic that is.
If he just needs simple web browsing and his monitor supports HDMI, just grab one of these

https://www.cdw.ca/product/intel-com...191549?pfm=srh

Comes with Windows 10, so he won't need to learn another OS
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Old 10-14-2020, 09:52 AM   #1567
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If he just needs simple web browsing and his monitor supports HDMI, just grab one of these

https://www.cdw.ca/product/intel-com...191549?pfm=srh

Comes with Windows 10, so he won't need to learn another OS
That model doesn't have Windows 10 preinstalled.

codynw, grab one of the refurbs off of Memory Express: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Catego...6-d297993b5869

Particularly, this one would fit the bill and it's in stock at MemX NW: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX81022
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Starting to plan a build for the new AMD processors.

Trying to decide between a B550 motherboard and an X570. I'd go with X570 almost no question except I found out most of the boards have chipset fans. I usually build as silent as I can, so a bit worried about a whiny little chipset fan.

Though some of them it appears you can set it so the fan is stopped at idle, and if it spins while I'm gaming I don't care as much as I'd have my headphones on anyway.

I'm not going to be extreme overclocking.

From what I can see the only real immediate downside of a B550 would be that the chipset runs on PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0, which means my 2nd (or more) m.2 slots would run at PCIe 3.0 speeds. But I think I'd be ok with that, my 2nd SSD currently is a SATA drive for storing some less played games.

And the B550's are a bit cheaper.

Any other things I should be aware of?
I went through the same decision process and chose the MSI x570 Tomahawk board. The default chipset fan profile in BIOS didn't have the fan start until something like 65 - 70 degrees, so in normal computing it was never running. Perhaps it did while I was gaming but with a headset on you'd never hear it over the other fans that ramp up with temperature.

Unfortunately that board was a struggle from day one. The onboard wifi/bluetooth often wouldn't be recognized in BIOS (and therefore Windows) and then it stopped recognizing my VGA card. Each time I'd have to clear CMOS and even then no guarantees BIOS would find attached hardware. I don't know if I just had a bad board, or being new-ish to market had buggy BIOS. Exchanged it for a Asus TUF X570-Pro that I'm installing this weekend.
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That would be great for gaming but suck for anything else. It's too big to sit that close to and burnin would be an issue. I still want one.
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Old 10-20-2020, 08:54 PM   #1572
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I have a 42.5" 4k monitor and even that is a bit much in 16:9. I can't imagine what 48 would be like.

My work monitor is a 49" curved display but when it's 32:9 it is a completely different animal and doesn't feel too big at all.

I'd stick with the Odyssey g9.
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:33 PM   #1573
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New benchmarks for the AMD 5600x leak. We now have a new single thread and gaming performance king... one has to wonder how the 5700/5900 series chips will look like since this gen seems to be a huge leap in performance over the last.

I'm torn on upgrading... not sure if I want to bite the bullet on a B550 board and DDR4 or wait till DDR5. B550 might be a dead end upgrade since the Ryzen 6000 series is supposed to be a socket change to AM5? Would be going from a 2600 and a B350 mobo.




https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryze...read-benchmark
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:50 PM   #1574
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That's the only thing in the back of my mind that's saying I should wait to upgrade. I've got a 6700k and a vanilla 2080 and a 1440p monitor, most games should be playable for a while yet, though newer games I would maybe(?) get a decent bump in FPS with a newer CPU.

But I get core count envy when I do encoding and such things, and would like to hand down most of this system to my son who's computer could use an upgrade.

How far away is AM5 though. 1 year?

If I upgrade to a 5900X or 5950X I could ride that for another 4-5 years, upgrade to whatever's after the 3080 if I move up to a 4K or ultrawide monitor, so I'm not sure waiting is worth it either.
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:06 AM   #1575
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AM5 DDR5 would be 2022?
Waiting an additional 2 years is ok? maybe 20 months. There was news of still using DDR4 only for another year. Consider that the only devices using a variant of DDR5 is Samsung Galaxy S20 and some other cell phones released this year.



also considering the amount of ramp up performance from peak ddr4 (which we probably haven't reached yet) would take at least a year or 2 (so 2024 for noticeable performance gains from ram) and remember the early adopter tax. DDR4 is cheap now. 32gb pc25600 for 160$ CDN. It's a commodity and they are still burning through pandemic stock up. Prices will likely increase next year.

Internal AMD roadmap shows DDR5 and native USB 4.0 support arriving in 2022l


Gamers Nexus Ram price mention:

Gamers Nexus :news-pc/3625-hw-news-nvidia-7nm-ampere-ram-prices-asus-gundam


At any rate, until intel provides some better performance (long awaited 10nm next year honest!) there may be a theoretical holding pattern at the moment, and we'll see if AMD will continue their iteration process or hold on for a moment.


Maybe maybe maybe 3080 stock will come in, in November because
everyone will be buying AMD as they'll be more available. As always it's a rumor and not indicative of final performance numbers.

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT “Big Navi” GPU Alleged 3DMark Benchmarks Leaked – Faster Than GeForce RTX 3080 at 4K, Slower In Port Royal Ray Tracing

Videocardz AMD Radeon RX 6800XT alleged 3DMark scores hit the web


https://twitter.com/user/status/1319532384765706240


So the other calculation is, is faster ray tracing worth it now, or is the old way of rendering games still viable until there are more software titles using it?

Still consider that the leaked benchmark has whatever the radeon card is as having 96% performance of a 2080ti in ray tracing. So that's not a slow implementation at all and would still offer a considerable amount of performance over a 2060 super.

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That's the only thing in the back of my mind that's saying I should wait to upgrade. I've got a 6700k and a vanilla 2080 and a 1440p monitor, most games should be playable for a while yet, though newer games I would maybe(?) get a decent bump in FPS with a newer CPU.

But I get core count envy when I do encoding and such things, and would like to hand down most of this system to my son who's computer could use an upgrade.

How far away is AM5 though. 1 year?

If I upgrade to a 5900X or 5950X I could ride that for another 4-5 years, upgrade to whatever's after the 3080 if I move up to a 4K or ultrawide monitor, so I'm not sure waiting is worth it either.
I have the exact same setup and I probably will be doing the 5900X/5950X thing when they drop later this year, though I'm doing a lot of application work lately so the extra threads will be helpful.

And yeah, my wife's PC could use the upgrade too lol.
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Ryzen 5950x benchmarks leak. 34% single thread and 16% multi thread improvement over 3950x.


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The Ryzen 9 5950X is reportedly up to 34.4% faster than the Ryzen 9 3950X in single-thread performance and up to 16% in multi-thread performance. For reference, the Ryzen 9 5950X comes with a 3.4 GHz base clock and 4.9 GHz boost clock, while the Ryzen 9 3950X has a 3.5GHz base clock and 4.7 GHz. It was to expected that the Ryzen 9 5950X would be superior chip.

In comparison to its Intel rival, the Ryzen 9 5950X seemingly delivers up to 16.3% higher single-thread performance than the Core i9-10900K. Now, you have to remember that the Core i9-10900K features a 3.7 GHz base clock and a whopping 5.3 GHz boost clock. We're not underestimating Zen 3, but it's a bit hard to swallow that the AMD chip with a 400 MHz lower boost clock would outperform the Core i9-10900K. For now, we'll have to trust PassMark's metrics until we get the chip in our lab for thorough testing.
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5900X over a 10900k seems more and more likely...god I hope I kept the AM4 brackets from my cooler...
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Yeah... it might be getting close to time to build a new desktop. Unfortunately they're releasing these things so close to Black Friday that I can't imagine they'll even be in stock much less on discount. Might have to wait for boxing day.
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