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Old 12-03-2019, 10:28 AM   #1801
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His D is only above average now and he doesnít walk .
I legitimately believe that if Kevin Pillar could walk he would have been a multi-time MVP candidate (not winner because Mike Trout). The guy had insane defense, decent power, excellent baserunning with almost no ability to draw a walk... imagine what he could have been if he got on base more to use that baserunning and if pitchers knew they couldn't throw junk at him (more strike-zone = harder contact = more xtra base hits).
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:47 AM   #1802
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Reports are the Jays are interested in Wheeler. We've all heard this song and dance before.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:06 AM   #1803
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Reports are the Jays are interested in Wheeler. We've all heard this song and dance before.
Yeah... that's not gonna happen. Apparently he already has a 9 figure offer on the table. Be awesome if it did Wheeler is very good and has the stuff to be great.
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:09 PM   #1804
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Wheeler is intriguing. But If the reports are correct about how much money may be involved, it kinda turns me off him. He gives up a lot of contact which is never a good thing in the AL east ballparks. And he’s already had Tommy John surgery so durability will always be in question. 3 years 50-60 million, sure. But not 5+ at 20 per.
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:37 PM   #1805
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If they do swing a deal for wheeler like that, hopefully they front load it so they keep some payroll flexibility in a few years when the position players are starting to pull down big salaries.
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:48 PM   #1806
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The Jays aren't getting him IMO. Shapiro and crew using the Rogers media to give hope to fans. Higher risk at moderate potential return doesn't look like a thing from this management team. No way that pricetag fits with what they're trying to do.
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:15 PM   #1807
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Wheeler to the Phillies. 5 years $118 million

Yeah, the Jays will be "bridesmaids" on all the big UFA pitcher signings for sure lol
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:30 PM   #1808
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Shocking news. I wonder who the next pitcher the Jays will be "in on".
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:21 PM   #1809
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That’s a crazy big number for wheeler. Wow.

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One has to wonder what Cole will earn? 8 years ~240?

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Old 12-04-2019, 07:40 PM   #1810
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Thatís a crazy big number for wheeler. Wow.

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One has to wonder what Cole will earn? 8 years ~240?
That is about right on Cole. Jays are already not going to even make the attempt, and there is a good chance that he ends up with the Angels.

The interesting high end pitcher is Strasberg. He is said to be in the 180 for 6 range, and with the Jays window starting in 2021, I'd almost be willing to throw that amount at him and see if it sticks.

The problem with Strasberg is his injury history, but as long as he is insured I don't know if that should be a deterrent for the Blue Jays.

Considering there arn't any pitchers of his calibre hitting free agency next year, and I like him substantially more than Wheeler, the Jays should actually act like the team in baseball with the deepest pockets.

Monitor his innings for this year, and have him prepped for next year as the ace, when you are in contention.

I predict that the Jays will go with Shoemaker as their ace, instead.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:56 PM   #1811
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Why would Stras want to Come to the Jays though !
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Why would Stras want to Come to the Jays though !
This is just it.

None of these big name pitchers are going to sign in TO.

In the end everyone is going to say the Jays are too cheap and never tried, but I don't think it matters if they try or not at this point.

They are a 90+ loss team playing in a division against the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays.

The Jays need to build it up first, then they might get some love from high end free agents.

Make a couple savvy trades, develop homegrown talent and sprinkle in some shrewd FA signings of guys looking to bounce back or for an opportunity to pop in a bigger role.
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Its all part of the 'process'
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:46 PM   #1814
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I personally wonder if the Jays will try and swing a deal for Greinke? I wonder how that loss hurt him and the Jays for years seemed to want him. This isn't based on anything substantial - just my own thought.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:51 PM   #1815
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I heard today on Sportsnet Morosi say he's hearing the Jays are the most serious team pursuing staring pitching.

He acknowledged that because they're still rebuilding they wont be attractive to someone who wants to win now but they might be able to attract someone who is looking for a longer deal but isn't getting it from other teams.
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I heard today on Sportsnet Morosi say he's hearing the Jays are the most serious team pursuing staring pitching.

He acknowledged that because they're still rebuilding they wont be attractive to someone who wants to win now but they might be able to attract someone who is looking for a longer deal but isn't getting it from other teams.
So a guy that’s got a let’s say 3 good years of his prime to when the Jays MAY have a sniff, but that same player that no one else wants to sign for 4 years? A unicorn indeed, especially if he’s supposed to be an impact player.

Only guys looking for long term deals on teams that are nowhere near a bubble playoff team for at least two seasons, are guys with injury issues.

Sounds like Aitkins and Shapiro using the media arm of the company to blow the hot air to try and stop the season ticket holder exodus in this brief baseball talk window they have for the winter meetings. Can’t blame them for trying.

They need to catch fire with some vet free agents and journeyman, and hope that it gets them close enough to get the fans talking about then Jays past the all star break in order to get some fan and player interest for 2021.

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So a guy thatís got a letís say 3 good years of his prime to when the Jays MAY have a sniff, but that same player that no one else wants to sign for 4 years? A unicorn indeed, especially if heís supposed to be an impact player.

Only guys looking for long term deals on teams that are nowhere near a bubble playoff team for at least two seasons, are guys with injury issues.

Sounds like Aitkins and Shapiro using the media arm of the company to blow the hot air to try and stop the season ticket holder exodus in this brief baseball talk window they have for the winter meetings. Canít blame them for trying.

They need to catch fire with some vet free agents and journeyman, and hope that it gets them close enough to get the fans talking about then Jays past the all star break in order to get some fan and player interest for 2021.
This is how I feel as well. The Jays PR department is desperately trying to motivate a demoralized fanbase by spinning some sort of fantastical stories about the Jays pursuing all these high end pitchers but we all know how it will end.

Now the Jays are "interested in" Hyun-Jin Ryu!
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Old 12-07-2019, 09:29 AM   #1818
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Matt Moore, Martin Perez, Taijuan Walker.

Moore with velocity, Perez ground ball pitcher, walker with the best overall stuff, one year off of Tomy John.

Would be very happy with walker 3 year, Perez 2 year at reasonable hits. Better than what the Jays have now.
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Matt Moore, Martin Perez, Taijuan Walker.

Moore with velocity, Perez ground ball pitcher, walker with the best overall stuff, one year off of Tomy John.

Would be very happy with walker 3 year, Perez 2 year at reasonable hits. Better than what the Jays have now.
These are the guys that the Jays will have to eventually go after IMO, because the bigger name guys without as many question marks will look to sign in other locations.

It's either that or trade for pitching. But then you are giving up assets for pitchers that likely won't come with much team control left. Guys like Jon Gray, Corey Kluber or Chris Archer for example.

It's going to frustrate a large portion of the fan base, and they will claim that Rogers/Atkins aren't even trying to sign anyone big, but in the end the Jays will have to develop most of their (eventual) contending rotation on their own.
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Old 12-07-2019, 05:35 PM   #1820
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Reports out there that the Jays are front runners to sign 27 year old 1B Yo####omo Tsutsugo out of Japan.

EDIT: lol @ the censor
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