[Rumour] McKenzie: Hearing the Flames are very intent on moving one of Hamonic or Brodie

[Beninho]

I feel that Hanifin could provide the same exact qualities that Brodie gives that allows Gio to be a beast. Brodie and Hamonic are both expandable and neither are top pairing guys. I wouldn’t be mad if both are traded


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[Muffins]

Hanifin plays the same side as Gio. Not sure it would be a good idea putting one of them on their off side.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I feel that Hanifin could provide the same exact qualities that Brodie gives that allows Gio to be a beast. Brodie and Hamonic are both expandable and neither are top pairing guys. I wouldn’t be mad if both are traded


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Hamonic is the only Dman that has any grit besides Gio. I don't think Hamonic should be traded.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Hamonic is the only Dman that has any grit besides Gio. I don't think Hamonic should be traded.

Ya I didn’t see this grit in the playoffs, Hamonic really tailed off by the end of the season and had some games where he turned the puck over pretty much every time he touched it. Hamonic had a good season but if there’s a good offer for him I would take it.


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[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Ya I didn’t see this grit in the playoffs


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All the forwards should be traded too? They didn't show any offence in the playoffs.

Hamonic is a warrior and anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

All the forwards should be traded too? They didn't show any offence in the playoffs.



Hamonic is a warrior and anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.

Again, he was not a warrior in the playoffs. Him and Hanifin got overrun throughout the series and he got outplayed by Erick ####ing Johnson. You earn warrior status in the playoffs not in December. Regehr was a warrior because he earned that status in the playoffs, Hamonic has not. Hamonic is offensively limited but has shown he can be very good defensively which did not translate to the playoffs this year. He was weak, just like Brodie and just like the majority of the forwards. His good contract is also going to be coming to an end in the near future and if there’s a good offer for him I would take it. Of course he wasn’t the reason the flames lost but I expected him to have way more awareness and poise defensively vs the Avs. Him and Hanifin got owned all series. I’m not surprised at all to see his name in trade rumours


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[Erick Estrada]

Hanafin is still 22 years old at the end of the day. It feels like he's been around for a while because he's played a lot of games in the NHL but he's younger than Andersson.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Oh my god.

Andersson established himself as a regular this year as a 22-year old, and 19-year-old Valimaki made the team out of camp. He was supplanted only because of a serious injury that wiped out most of his season. Andrew Mangiapane played 44 games in his 22-year-old season, and 19-year old Dillon Dube also made the team out of camp. Barring any movement, all of these players will be on the roster next season

I'm thinking that a big reason why the Flames appear to be open to moving one Brodie or Hamonic is because they do trust their youth and realize that when healthy both Valimaki, and Anderson should be in the lineup with Hanifin, and Kylington is there to challenge for a spot too. It appears that this might actually be the primary reason to make this type of move now too with the secondary benefit being either a forward upgrade in return, or draft pick with some cap relief.

It's fine to trust youth, if the youth is good. Pretty much every young Flames player who should have got a look in the NHL last year did get one.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by transplant99

According to some....Giordano was reliant on TJ Brodie to perform at a Norris level.

I just cant wrap my head around that thought process when looking at their two bodies of work.

His stats show 100 giveaways. 8th worst in the league and more than 1/game. I'd like to know what the NHL considers a giveaway though because that seems low.


*Pardon me, 8th out of defensemen, 11th worst overall.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FireFly

His stats show 100 giveaways. 8th worst in the league and more than 1/game. I'd like to know what the NHL considers a giveaway though because that seems low.

Giveaways over a season isn’t a great stat to use negatively. The leaders in giveaways last season are mostly the top players in the league. The numbers are almost directly related to having the puck more and having more ice time.

[FireFly]

Disagree. Giordano has more ice time and fewer giveaways.



Giveaways show how often a player has a brainfart. Brodie has lots.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Disagree. Giordano has more ice time and fewer giveaways.



Giveaways show how often a player has a brainfart. Brodie has lots.

But Brodie basically has equal Giveaway-Takeaway stats as: Burns & Reilly.

At least he closes the gap by coming up with 68 takeaways, which is pretty respectable. All the talk from Dallas was how elite Heiskanen is, and he had the same amount of giveaways and HALF the takeaways. (Same with Doughty and Muzzin)

My main point is Brodie is no where near as poor of a player as he is portrayed here, and we will see that with the return on draft day.

For the record: I want Brodie gone (mostly because we can, and it’ll upgrade the F group), and think Gio is hands down our backbone.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I feel that Hanifin could provide the same exact qualities that Brodie gives that allows Gio to be a beast...

Sometimes there is just no compensation or replacement for great chemistry. Brodie and Giordano have reams of it, and I don't think it is so easily replicated by the insertion of another player no matter how similar their attributes are.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

But Brodie basically has equal Giveaway-Takeaway stats as: Burns & Reilly.

At least he closes the gap by coming up with 68 takeaways, which is pretty respectable. All the talk from Dallas was how elite Heiskanen is, and he had the same amount of giveaways and HALF the takeaways. (Same with Doughty and Muzzin)

My main point is Brodie is no where near as poor of a player as he is portrayed here, and we will see that with the return on draft day.

For the record: I want Brodie gone (mostly because we can, and it’ll upgrade the F group), and think Gio is hands down our backbone.

Most fans realize that Burns and Reilly are not great defensively but as with players like Karlsson teams are willing to live with that because of elite offensive talent. Brodie doesn't produce like those players so it's a harder to live with. He's still a good player and most of us realize this but with our goaltending situation the way it is, would probably rather if someone has to go from the blue line that it be the guy that coughs up the puck the most.

[Toonage]

^^ On that note if Gio has a say (and I suspect he will be spoken to by Treliving) I would think he would ask that Brodie stick around.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^^ On that note if Gio has a say (and I suspect he will be spoken to by Treliving) I would think he would ask that Brodie stick around.

If the "check with Jerome" era taught us anything, players play and GMs GM.

[Toonage]

^ Not saying he would make the call, but I'm sure he would be spoken to about it. Just like if they were to bring in a guy like Kadri. The Captain would get his say.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

If the "check with Jerome" era taught us anything, players play and GMs GM.

but for the love of god who was setting up the play?!

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

But Brodie basically has equal Giveaway-Takeaway stats as: Burns & Reilly.

At least he closes the gap by coming up with 68 takeaways, which is pretty respectable. All the talk from Dallas was how elite Heiskanen is, and he had the same amount of giveaways and HALF the takeaways. (Same with Doughty and Muzzin)

My main point is Brodie is no where near as poor of a player as he is portrayed here, and we will see that with the return on draft day.

For the record: I want Brodie gone (mostly because we can, and it’ll upgrade the F group), and think Gio is hands down our backbone.

Others have said it, but it bears repeating; the others you mention put up points. Those who put up points take more risks and create more turnovers. Brodie's turnover to point ratio is not good. And for someone who helps elevate Gio's game so much, why didn't Brodie end up with more points himself? It just doesn't add up. If he was an offensive defenseman, he would have more points. If he was a defensive defenseman, he would have fewer turnovers (and more hits!). So what is he?



He's not terrible, he's just not awesome.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Oh my god.

Andersson established himself as a regular this year as a 22-year old, and 19-year-old Valimaki made the team out of camp. He was supplanted only because of a serious injury that wiped out most of his season. Andrew Mangiapane played 44 games in his 22-year-old season, and 19-year old Dillon Dube also made the team out of camp. Barring any movement, all of these players will be on the roster next season

All the handwringing about the Flames "not trusting their youth(!)" is so overblown and exaggerated: Most of their top-six forwards next season will be under 25-years-old, and they will have at least three defensemen playing under the age of 24. This is NOT an issue.

I do believe the current management is willing to reward young players. I also think bt shopping brodie or hamonic shows that he agrees with some of us that the young players now need to be leaned on for bigger roles which is what I'm looking for the flames to do. Trust they will get better. It's a risk for sure but I believe 1 or 2 will step up. So many worried about Rasmus playing with gio and if he can manage it. To many assuming that when brodie and gio were split up and Rasmus moved up that is the only option. It doesn't have to be Rasmus.

Gio hanifin
Valimaki hamonic
Rasmus kylington

There are more options then Rasmus having to play with gio. There are 4 young d men all with potential. Trust 1 or 2 to step it up that is what cup winning teams do.