Electric vehicle war, is gas soon to be toast?

[Brendone]

If 80% is the recommended max charge for an EV battery pack, why report the range of a full battery. Heck, don’t even let us know about that last 20% and have the system pretend 80 is actually 100%. Sometimes I want to be lied too.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Brendone

If 80% is the recommended max charge for an EV battery pack, why report the range of a full battery. Heck, don’t even let us know about that last 20% and have the system pretend 80 is actually 100%. Sometimes I want to be lied too.

I think that's how many of them work now.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I think that's how many of them work now.

Gonna have to do some googling. Mazda told us to set the charge schedule on my wife’s cx90 phev to max out at 80%

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Brendone

If 80% is the recommended max charge for an EV battery pack, why report the range of a full battery. Heck, don’t even let us know about that last 20% and have the system pretend 80 is actually 100%. Sometimes I want to be lied too.

That depends on the battery chemistry. My batteries are lithium iron phosphate and the charging screen actually reminds me to charge to 100% at least once a week.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Brendone

If 80% is the recommended max charge for an EV battery pack, why report the range of a full battery. Heck, don’t even let us know about that last 20% and have the system pretend 80 is actually 100%. Sometimes I want to be lied too.

And technically that's how fuel gauges work today. You have usually a 10-15% (of tank capacity) fuel reserve once you hit E.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

And technically that's how fuel gauges work today. You have usually a 10-15% (of tank capacity) fuel reserve once you hit E.

Is this true still? I’ve seen like 3 people in newer vehicles have to get pushed to the pump over the past 6 months (I don’t know why so often, before that it was maybe 3 in my lifetime). Are these people even dumber than I originally assumed?

[activeStick]

But hey, they're bullet proof! Because, that's cool!

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is this true still? I’ve seen like 3 people in newer vehicles have to get pushed to the pump over the past 6 months (I don’t know why so often, before that it was maybe 3 in my lifetime). Are these people even dumber than I originally assumed?

The tank in our Volvo must have been shaped like a triangle, point down. When it hit 1/4, it basically meant fill now

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Brendone

If 80% is the recommended max charge for an EV battery pack, why report the range of a full battery. Heck, don’t even let us know about that last 20% and have the system pretend 80 is actually 100%. Sometimes I want to be lied too.

It's a good point, because you really should keep it in that range. But I like the idea of them saying 80%=100%. You could then have a "trip mode" where you charge up to 120%. Sure, it's all the same, but I think people would be understanding that you don't use trip mode all the time, because 120% seems "more than normal".

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is this true still? I’ve seen like 3 people in newer vehicles have to get pushed to the pump over the past 6 months (I don’t know why so often, before that it was maybe 3 in my lifetime). Are these people even dumber than I originally assumed?

I think you're probably correct in this revelation.

[mrkajz44]

Whenever the possible explanation is simply "this person was just really dumb", it's usually the reason.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Whenever the possible explanation is simply "this person was just really dumb", it's usually the reason.

Y’know, that’s usually what I go with, and still somehow end up surprised by how dumb.

What a world.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Brendone

The tank in our Volvo must have been shaped like a triangle, point down. When it hit 1/4, it basically meant fill now

I had a Ford/Mazda era Volvo (S40) and that tank had the same problem.

Kind of annoying, because that is solvable with some simple math instead of just reporting level in the tank, which I assume it must have been doing?

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's a good point, because you really should keep it in that range. But I like the idea of them saying 80%=100%. You could then have a "trip mode" where you charge up to 120%. Sure, it's all the same, but I think people would be understanding that you don't use trip mode all the time, because 120% seems "more than normal".

I think this would be the only solution, you don’t want the battery limited to 80 percent as some have suggested since for road trips you want that 100 percent charge, but it’s certainly infrequent for most. In 15 months of having ours we have fully charged it once, just to start a trip.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

the 80% vs 100% thing really isn't that complicated.

You can set the charge level you want to stop at.
So usually mine is set to 80%.
When I know I'm going on a road trip, I just set the charge level to 100% ahead of time and when I'm ready to hit the road, I'm sitting with 100% on the battery.

[photon]

Pretty sure I've read many EVs actually do have hidden capacity beyond the rated capacity of the battery pack, but it's for wear levelling or to deal with a failed cell. 2% or 5% or something like that. AFAIK not used for extra range when the battery is drained.

[8sPOT]

I ran out of gas in my brand new 2018 Subaru Outback coming back from Banff. When it said I had 80km to empty I ran out after about 10km. Subaru issued a recall a few months later as there was some kind of issue and their 'km to empty' was not at all even close to correct.

So when I would fill up it would say 820km to empty and in reality, it was more like 750km.

Sold the car before the recall work was done, but always thought that it was sort of ridiculous to be that far off in this day and age.

Great car otherwise though.

[Hack&Lube]

Apple cancels it's electric car project

https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/27/ap...project-titan/

[Fuzz]

Shocking.

[Wormius]

There’s really no upside to straying from their bread and butter into the EV market for Apple.