2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Johansen would be terrible because of his contract alone,. He's a $6 million player making $8 million for 5 more years. Then to top it off he's coming off the worst season of his career since his sophomore season.

If you look at his career numbers season by season they are not good at all. Columbus trades him at the exact right time and got great value. Stay far away from him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Johansen would be terrible because of his contract alone,. He's a $6 million player making $8 million for 5 more years. Then to top it off he's coming off the worst season of his career since his sophomore season.

Yes I know, but could it be a buy low situation and a trade jump starts him back to a 0.8ppg C? Maybe you could get Nashville to retain a bit....

I'm not saying I want the Flames to do this, but it is a trade that could go either way depending on what you have to give up to get him.

He's a playmaker though, not a goal scorer. Definitely have to put him with wingers that can bury the puck.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes I know, but could it be a buy low situation and a trade jump starts him back to a 0.8ppg C? Maybe you could get Nashville to retain a bit....

I'm not saying I want the Flames to do this, but it is a trade that could go either way depending on what you have to give up to get him.

Without Nashville retaining at least 25%, I wouldn't even entertain the idea.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He’s a #1 centre who plays a 200 foot game you build a SC team around. He’s also signed nicely for 2 years with no thought he wants to leave when he’s a UFA.

Calgary is only likely thinking of moving Johnny because of thoughts he’s gone in 2 years.

Philly has zero motivation to move their #1 centre. Calgary’s has some motivation to move Johnny.


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Well, Philly also has Giroux, as well as Frost and Patrick coming up, with Konecny able to play center too.

If there is a team that can trade from center, anywhere from top to bottom of the roster without risking too much, it's probably Philly.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can you just imagine stacking your PP with Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Hall, Mony/Lindholm, Gio when you need a tying goal? If we can move Tkachuk to the RW to make it work I like what Hall can bring to the fold offensively.

I would give that team a look before entertaining Gaudreau offers.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hall
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Bennett-Backlund-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hall
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Bennett-Backlund-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-

That's the top 6 I would run with as well. If you can re-acclimate Lindholm to center with Hall taking the urgency for production off of his shoulders, then that could pay off in a huge way with the center depth.

Let Backlund eat his competition alive on the third line which should be easier for him given he was already able to win most matchups in recent months on the second line. Bennett has played his most productive hockey next to Backlund so it likely makes him better as well and the line more responsible.

I would even look to sign a middle six right shot RW to play on the third line and keep Lucic - Ryan - Dube a thing (or promote Phillips/Gawdin?)

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That's the top 6 I would run with as well. If you can re-acclimate Lindholm to center with Hall taking the urgency for production off of his shoulders, then that could pay off in a huge way with the center depth.

Let Backlund eat his competition alive on the third line which should be easier for him given he was already able to win most matchups in recent months on the second line. Bennett has played his most productive hockey next to Backlund so it likely makes him better as well and the line more responsible.

I would even look to sign a middle six RW to play the third line and keep Lucic - Ryan - Dube a thing (or promote Phillips/Gawdin?)

it wouldn't work, Backlund would need to be traded or we'd have a massive hole on the blueline

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

it wouldn't work, Backlund would need to be traded or we'd have a massive hole on the blueline

Pretty much a given in that scenario that Brodie and Hamonic would be gone and you promote from within + resign one of the deadline acquisitions for cheap.

Thats 9M off the books. Plus letting Janko walk unless he signs for league minimum. Stone is gone. So 11M or so cleared.

I dont see Backlund traded and I wouldn't want that as i think he's really important to solidifying the middle for the team.

Regardless the team will do what they have to to make a run at Hall who would be receptive to coming here.

Aside from signing him, you'd have to address a mangiapane extension and potentially replacing Talbot if he goes elsewhere for a #1 gig.

Doable. I think Valimaki more than replaces what Hamonic brought and in relatively short order.

The hole would be Brodie. And maybe you look at Gustafsson to try and replace his offense.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hall
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Bennett-Backlund-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-

Assuming we get discount deals with Hall @ 8M and Mangiapane @ 2M (probably at least 1M more combined)

Assuming we let Brodie and Talbot walk

That leaves a defence of

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - x
Valimaki - x
x

We have 6.9M left to sign 3 forwards, 3 defence and another goalie. This team can't afford Hall without offloading a big contract.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Assuming we get discount deals with Hall @ 8M and Mangiapane @ 2M (probably at least 1M more combined)

Assuming we let Brodie and Talbot walk

That leaves a defence of

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - x
Valimaki - x
x

We have 6.9M left to sign 3 forwards, 3 defence and another goalie. This team can't afford Hall without offloading a big contract.

"Hey Looch, its been a long career huh bud, you must be tired..."

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Pretty much a given in that scenario that Brodie and Hamonic would be gone and you promote from within + resign one of the deadline acquisitions for cheap.

Thats 9M off the books. Plus letting Janko walk unless he signs for league minimum. Stone is gone. So 11M or so cleared.

I dont see Backlund traded and I wouldn't want that as i think he's really important to solidifying the middle for the team.

Regardless the team will do what they have to to make a run at Hall who would be receptive to coming here.

Aside from signing him, you'd have to address a mangiapane extension and potentially replacing Talbot if he goes elsewhere for a #1 gig.

Doable. I think Valimaki more than replaces what Hamonic brought and in relatively short order.

The hole would be Brodie. And maybe you look at Gustafsson to try and replace his offense.

I don't think you are seeing how tight things are.

If we sign Hall @ 7.5, Mangiapane @ 2.5, we're sitting with about $6m in cap space to sign a top 4 defenseman, a decent backup goalie, a depth defensemen and 2-3 depth forwards.

Signing 3 depth players (2F, 1D), costs a minimum of 2.1 million. That leaves 3.9 million to sign a defenseman and a goaltender. Let's say Gus @ 2.5, that leaves 1.4m to find a goalie that can play at least 30 games. It also leaves the team with a 22 man roster and no room for injury recalls.

I'm sorry but if this team replaces Hamonic and Brodie with Valimaki and Gustafsson, and we have to downgrade our goaltending, we won't be a playoff team no matter how many goals we score.

[djsFlames]

Need one of the cap experts to lay it all out to really see for sure.

There are so many combinations of things that could happen.

Would like to see different scenarios of who leaves and where that leaves us, with the dollars laid out.

And FWIW the team I think got defensively better during Hamonic's injury. I dont think we're losing as much with him as you think we would be.

[Jacks]

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/create

[Poe969]

Imagine both Hall and Pietroangelo wanted to sign 7x9 deals with the Flames. Who would you trade?

Johnny to the Sabres for cozens and #8
Gio to the leafs for 2 of Kapanen, Lindgren, 2nd round pick or to Montreal for a combo of Poehling, Primeau, Otto, Fleury or their first.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Need one of the cap experts to lay it all out to really see for sure.

There are so many combinations of things that could happen.

Would like to see different scenarios of who leaves and where that leaves us, with the dollars laid out.

And FWIW the team I think got defensively better during Hamonic's injury. I dont think we're losing as much with him as you think we would be.

I literally just used Cap friendly to get those numbers.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I literally just used Cap friendly to get those numbers.

So the scenario you went with was Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Jankowski and Talbot coming off the books?

Honestly if you can get that top six then I would be more than happy to at least fill in the forward ranks with the farm. Some guys might just need the opportunity to take a step.

Still think there's a chance Talbot would extend, but you should be able to sign another goalie for roughly the same cap hit as there will be vet options out there.

Figuring out the bottom 3 D is the pickle we would find ourselves in.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I'm sorry but if this team replaces Hamonic and Brodie with Valimaki and Gustafsson, and we have to downgrade our goaltending, we won't be a playoff team no matter how many goals we score.

We have tried having the best defense forever, let's just go all offense and hope Rittich steps up haha

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So the scenario you went with was Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Jankowski and Talbot coming off the books?

Honestly if you can get that top six then I would be more than happy to at least fill in the forward ranks with the farm. Some guys might just need the opportunity to take a step.

Still think there's a chance Talbot would extend, but you should be able to sign another goalie for roughly the same cap hit as there will be vet options out there.

Figuring out the bottom 3 D is the pickle we would find ourselves in.

I literally listed every signing in the scenario

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Assuming we get discount deals with Hall @ 8M and Mangiapane @ 2M (probably at least 1M more combined)

Assuming we let Brodie and Talbot walk

That leaves a defence of

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - x
Valimaki - x
x

We have 6.9M left to sign 3 forwards, 3 defence and another goalie. This team can't afford Hall without offloading a big contract.

Kylington as your 6 and a low cap hit guy as #7. Only really one high cap hit player.

I agree you are probably right in that some salary needs to go out in order to achieve.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Imagine both Hall and Pietroangelo wanted to sign 7x9 deals with the Flames. Who would you trade?

Johnny to the Sabres for cozens and #8
Gio to the leafs for 2 of Kapanen, Lindgren, 2nd round pick or to Montreal for a combo of Poehling, Primeau, Otto, Fleury or their first.

Well, numbers wise if they signed for that and Mangiapane signed for 2x2.5, Kylington for 0.85, and we filled all the holes with guys at 700k, we would need to shed 7.24m