[PGT] Flames 5 Flyers 2 - solid road win

[Backstop]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I may be in the minority here but this is just unsettling, the expression on Daryls face the murder scene on the canvas. The whole thing has vibes of, come disappear on my farm, your last moments will be immortalized on canvas in my basement.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The defensive zone has not been clean this year. It's a fire drill at times, and it take a lot of energy getting the puck back or out. It's actually pretty remarkable how much volume we still get, and not allow many shots.

If we can get clean exits and up ice with more consistent speed, I think our 5V5 scoring picks up like it did last year. Not sure if this is a system change or guys just not skating.

Totally agree with the bold. They are not good at getting control. When they do get control, in may case they make a dumb pass and the opposition gets it right back. This definitely needs to be improved.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The defensive zone has not been clean this year. It's a fire drill at times, and it take a lot of energy getting the puck back or out. It's actually pretty remarkable how much volume we still get, and not allow many shots.

If we can get clean exits and up ice with more consistent speed, I think our 5V5 scoring picks up like it did last year. Not sure if this is a system change or guys just not skating.

Originally Posted by Teroy

Totally agree with the bold. They are not good at getting control. When they do get control, in may case they make a dumb pass and the opposition gets it right back. This definitely needs to be improved.

How much of a fire drill can it be with the team ranked 4th overall in xGA60?

Could be a case of looking so hard at your own team that you don't realize all teams are making mistakes. Hockey isn't a game of perfection.

The Flames are very good in their own zone. Probably turn it over, but cinch down and cover more often than not to avoid trouble.

I'm not in on the Markstrom witch hunt, but goaltending hasn't done them any favours thus far.

Defensively, their metrics stay they are elite.

[dino7c]

Yeah they are one of the top defensive teams...mistakes are magnified this season because so many of them have ended up in the back of the net

also, THE SCHEDULE!

last night is a prime example, when you aren't playing a top team every game you don't need to be perfect to win and score a bunch of goals while giving up few

[Flames_Gimp]

Oiler fans are pretty quiet, they're tough when they dish it out but as soon as we pass them in the standings they run and hide!

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah they are one of the top defensive teams...mistakes are magnified this season because so many of them have ended up in the back of the net

also, THE SCHEDULE!

last night is a prime example, when you aren't playing a top team every game you don't need to be perfect to win and score a bunch of goals while giving up few

The Flames have played 2 games total against the current bottom 12 teams of the NHL.

The win against Philly last night and the loss to Buffalo when they were off to their hot start.

Essentially half(!) our remaining games (31 of 64) are against these 12 teams.

As long as we don’t fall into the old Flames’ habit of playing down to our competition we are in good shape that way. And I feel under Sutter we’re less susceptible to those poor efforts against bottom feeders.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How much of a fire drill can it be with the team ranked 4th overall in xGA60?

Could be a case of looking so hard at your own team that you don't realize all teams are making mistakes. Hockey isn't a game of perfection.

The Flames are very good in their own zone. Probably turn it over, but cinch down and cover more often than not to avoid trouble.

I'm not in on the Markstrom witch hunt, but goaltending hasn't done them any favours thus far.

Defensively, their metrics stay they are elite.

What is the zone possession time? That's what I'm talking about the breakdowns happens and usually end up in our net but the amount we chase the puck around spend energy trying to get it back. We haven't done as good a job when we get the puck and get it out.

The more we have the puck and skate with it the less energy we waste chasing.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How much of a fire drill can it be with the team ranked 4th overall in xGA60?

Could be a case of looking so hard at your own team that you don't realize all teams are making mistakes. Hockey isn't a game of perfection.

The Flames are very good in their own zone. Probably turn it over, but cinch down and cover more often than not to avoid trouble.

I'm not in on the Markstrom witch hunt, but goaltending hasn't done them any favours thus far.

Defensively, their metrics stay they are elite.

Interesting thanks for posting. I have to admit that my “eye test” would agree that they look like an uncontrolled disaster in their own end and like they’re chasing all over the place. However the stat shows complete opposite and obviously they’re doing well.

I think the biggest challenge is that they are passing far less frequently and often their passes are to guys standing still or in their feet / slightly behind. This is one of those “chemistry” things that will get better over time too.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How much of a fire drill can it be with the team ranked 4th overall in xGA60?

Could be a case of looking so hard at your own team that you don't realize all teams are making mistakes. Hockey isn't a game of perfection.

The Flames are very good in their own zone. Probably turn it over, but cinch down and cover more often than not to avoid trouble.

I'm not in on the Markstrom witch hunt, but goaltending hasn't done them any favours thus far.

Defensively, their metrics stay they are elite.

Well if the advanced stats say it!!

As for the bolded....does the w/l record not say the word "elite" and this team should not be associated?

[looooob]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well if the advanced stats say it!!

As for the bolded....does the w/l record not say the word "elite" and this team should not be associated?

I'm not trying to be cute when I say this, and I"m also not totally sure I know the answer (for a variety of reasons I've watched fewer Flames games than usual at this point, although I've certainly watched more than half)


but I suppose that depends how much of the relative blame for the league's worst save percentage you want to allocate to who (defence, team defence, coaching, goalies, luck etc)

[Paulie Walnuts]

If our shooting % was top 10 we are on the same goal pace as last season. The volume is there but poor finish and not enough cross crease plays costing us. Also a poor pp.

The save % is more concerning because we don't allow as many shots and by Bingos stats don't allow high danger chances.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by looooob

I'm not trying to be cute when I say this, and I"m also not totally sure I know the answer (for a variety of reasons I've watched fewer Flames games than usual at this point, although I've certainly watched more than half)


but I suppose that depends how much of the relative blame for the league's worst save percentage you want to allocate to who (defence, team defence, coaching, goalies, luck etc)

I dont disagree....Markstrom has had bad moments thus far and thats not even disputable.

However, he is not the only guy responsible for the current record, he is only 1 of 20 any given night, and the others have been tire fires most of the last
while.

This is/has been a "team" issue IMO, and its lookin to me like they are starting to both come out of the funk and understand they can dictate the game to a certain degree.

they havent been very good overall this season, but I see things getting better...actually a lot better, but thus far they have been far from "elite" very often.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What is the zone possession time? That's what I'm talking about the breakdowns happens and usually end up in our net but the amount we chase the puck around spend energy trying to get it back. We haven't done as good a job when we get the puck and get it out.

The more we have the puck and skate with it the less energy we waste chasing.

Every team gets stuck in their own zone a half dozen (or more!) times a night. Every team.

I would find it hard to believe that the Flames with the 4th best xGA60 are in their zone more than most.

So as I said earlier I think you're victim of the myopic hockey fan syndrome where you look at your own team as being in charge of the whole game, when the guys in the other jerseys have their say for portions of every game.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Every team gets stuck in their own zone a half dozen (or more!) times a night. Every team.

I would find it hard to believe that the Flames with the 4th best xGA60 are in their zone more than most.

So as I said earlier I think you're victim of the myopic hockey fan syndrome where you look at your own team as being in charge of the whole game, when the guys in the other jerseys have their say for portions of every game.

Exactly.

The next time the Flames have a good forecheck going, instead of watching the Flames players, watch the other team play defense. You might notice that they commit all the same turnovers and struggles that you hold our defense accountable for. And not only do they happen, but based on the stats Bingo has posted, they happen at a greater rate.

Both teams are playing.

(directed at fans criticizing the defense, not at Bingo)

[Tsawwassen]

Postgame links
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...v-21-1.6659493
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/games/2465932/
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458883
https://stats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl/recap/146006

[flambers]

Tough game to evaluate, Flyers have serious injuries issues and iced a really weak lineup.

Flames had to win this one,