[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Man one of the worst trends on this forum is the bumping of a pile of old threads after games. Why can't people just make their point within the PGTs.
Or if they are going to bump a thread have something interesting to say.
RGMGs

It's funny, if I don't get a chance to watch a game from the start, before I check the score, I'll just see which threads have been bumped and have a good idea about how the game is going.

[AT77]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

So a thread gets bumped. Who cares?

The butthurt ones care.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No one is forcing you to read bumped threads.

Jiri knows that, I think we shouldn't take away from the point of his post. I doubt Jiri was personally affected, but was addressing what appears to be a useless trend.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Even if the Flames did lose the trade, Chucky didn’t want to be in Calgary anymore. If it was a player/prospect front office just gave up for no reason and they became a star somewhere else then I’d be pissed. Also, I’m honestly glad that we don’t have to deal with defending Chucky’s antics anymore

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Jiri knows that, I think we shouldn't take away from the point of his post. I doubt Jiri was personally affected, but was addressing what appears to be a useless trend.

As long as a bump is relevant, I don't see the harm?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

As long as a bump is relevant, I don't see the harm?

Agreed, see Jiri's post he pretty much said the same thing. I'm not going to repeat the issue he was addressing, I am pretty sure you read my post.

[zamler]

Bump.

[Strange Brew]

FWIW I still give Treliving an A+ for getting all he did for Tkachuk. If you want to debate the merits of instantly signing Huberdeau to a massive contract when it took you 11 months, 29 days and about 12 hours to make that offer to Gaudreau, well that I think is a point worth debating.

[STAMPEDRED]

Originally Posted by zamler

Bump.

Haha!

I will say though, this team had too much changeover from the 3 biggest / key players. I am in no way a Tkachuk fan whatsoever, but can recognize he is a good player removed from the Flames. I’m actually surprised as I thought he would drop off like a rock. So good for him.

For Calgary though, it’s clear too much change occurred. We are now a middling team, we needed to keep at least one of the three. It’s kind of weird when you get these big trades in your favor of big names, but all of a sudden it’s not the homegrown talent (draft picks) any longer and feels like you actually lose who your team is / has/had become.

[dino7c]

Flames would be in massive trouble on the backend with Weegar

I know points points points are the only factor for some but with Kylington MIA it's a good thing they got him. Weegar/Zadorov are the Flames best pair

[DeluxeMoustache]

One thing Tkachuk does well - he is doing it in Florida exactly as he did in Calgary - he gets in front of the net on the PP, then drifts to the side, takes a pass and puts it in to the slot. Last year Lindholm was the beneficiary

Why can’t the Flames do that with someone else? Tkachuk is skilled, but it’s not like he’s some kind of PP genius. Who’s coaching the PP? They flat out abandon a proven strategic option because one guy leaves? And Florida just picks it up?

Gotta wonder - do they even coach / practice the PP?

Meh, guess you have to gain the zone

[jayswin]

Oh man, I loved that play by Tkachuk and it was utilized perfectly last season. It's like the bump back pass in the neutral zone to gain entry on a PP, except at the side of the net and gave Lindholm the perfect passes to bang home to unprepared goalies.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ Agree. It was delightful.

I truly don’t get why I see it in Florida now and not at all here

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Oh man, I loved that play by Tkachuk and it was utilized perfectly last season. It's like the bump back pass in the neutral zone to gain entry on a PP, except at the side of the net and gave Lindholm the perfect passes to bang home to unprepared goalies.

To further this point, he was a dual threat, as he would also drive the net from the side, in the event Lindy wasn't open. I do openly miss both Tkachuk and Johnny G on this team. Such exciting players and it'll be a long time, if ever, we get a player with as much puck handling skill as Johnny, who lifts people out of their seats.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ Good addition, soulchoice. Totally agree

[Manhattanboy]

Sigh.

[madmike]

The sad part is Huberdeau is actually coming around and Weegar has been one of the Flames best defenders.

It’s the rest of the team - Dube, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom and co. that are the bigger problem at this point.

And since his hot start, Kadri has been a huge pile of suck.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by madmike

The sad part is Huberdeau is actually coming around and Weegar has been one of the Flames best defenders.

It’s the rest of the team - Dube, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom and co. that are the bigger problem at this point.

And since his hot start, Kadri has been a huge pile of suck.

Man, Kadri just looks frustrated as hell. He wouldn't be sucking if he wasn't playing with pure suck.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Man, Kadri just looks frustrated as hell. He wouldn't be sucking if he wasn't playing with pure suck.

I am noticing that Kadri is a bit of a puck hog. I have no idea if it pisses off NHL players, but it would annoy the hell out of me if he was on my team.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I am noticing that Kadri is a bit of a puck hog. I have no idea if it pisses off NHL players, but it would annoy the hell out of me if he was on my team.

Puck hog compared to what though? Literally no one else on the team seems to even want the puck. I think Kadri's desire to make plays rather than just dump it into the freaking corner at every opportunity should be praised - not bemoaned.

Same situation with Bennett and the criticism he faced. Dude was trying to make plays while he was on the ice playing with anchors for line mates.

Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, Toffoli are the only top-6 forwards this team has. Mangiapane's cliff dive has left this team in a really bad spot, as has Dube's failure to develop into anything more than a 4th line forward. I just don't think Kadri's play is something we should be targeting. Plenty is wrong with team without focusing in on our 2nd line centre who is producing like a 2nd line centre should be.