Hall of Fame Goalies

[CASe333]

I found the argument that Marc-Andre Fleury was not a Hall of famer polarizing. With a bit of research seeing Chris Osgood, Curtis Joseph, John Vanbiesbrouck, Andy Moog, Ron Hextall and Mike Vernon not in the Hall of Frame (HOF) surprises me. All of these players have either won championships, had records or personal awards BUT most importantly showed longevity with very good stats for their eras!!!


First see data based on their total wins ranking and overall stats:

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/reco...s-leaders.html

My argument:
Up and until 1989 there was a goalie inducted into the HHOF almost every year. Suddenly in 1990 they decided to completely rewrite what a HHOF goalie was. Despite the league expanding from 21 to eventually over 30 teams only Grant Fuhr, Patrick Roy, Ed Belfour, Dominik Hasek, and Rogie Vachon (1966-81) are considered HHOF since then. With more teams it has definitely gotten harder to get into the HHOF!!? I get there is a time lag with inductees but why is there so few goalies in the HHOF age > 1965? The goalie is the most important position in hockey is it not? Why is the HHOF not celebrating Osgood (dominant win % and multiple championships or players like Curtis Joseph with 943gp, 454 Wins). For me the wins should be most important factor because as a goalie that's all that matters at the end of the day playing on a stacked team or not. Yes Stanley Cups or Vezinas matter but not having one or the other shouldn't break your chance from being in the HHOF if you dominated a stat like wins or SV% with an on OK teams like Vanbiesbrouck or Joseph did.


Where is your line for the HHOF for goalies inductees? Who should be in the HHOF?

[Geeoff]

I think the old timers don't respect modern goalies because of their equipment

[Scroopy Noopers]

Well you’re missing someone who’s kinda important in your recent inductee list.

CuJo is interesting, is he not the all time leader in losses? I think he should be in the hall.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

HHOF has clearly established a low bar for skaters. I’d say let them all in.

[GioforPM]

Winning goalies are often disregarded as benefitting from stacked teams, especially Osgood and Vernon. MAF probably as well. I’d bet Price walks in.

[Funkhouser]

Interesting seeing as the bar for skaters is waaaaay too low.
But in all honesty I agree with the standards for goalie entry and wish they would do something similar for skaters.

[Funkhouser]

Of current NHLers, I think Price could get in…and that’s about it

[troutman]

Quick will get in.

[MrMike]

Lundquist? Luongo? Missing cups really hurts their cases.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Winning goalies are often disregarded as benefitting from stacked teams, especially Osgood and Vernon. MAF probably as well. I’d bet Price walks in.

Price will get in on his international record alone.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by codynw

Price will get in on his international record alone.

?
He’s only played 10 games for Canada since turning pro.

[GreenLantern2814]

The way the Hall of Fame treats goalies is disgraceful.

Curtis Joseph is a hall of Famer. He’s top 10 in wins, made two Olympic teams and a World Cup team, and is one of the most iconic goalies of his generation.

He doesn’t have hardware? Maybe cuz some guys named Hasek, Roy and Brodeur played At the same time.

He played on many awful teams who only achieved noteworthy things because he was their goalie.

Vernon has four trips to the Finals and two rings. #### you that’s not a hall of fame career. What else do you want him to do.

Giguere has a Conn Smythe in defeat and a championship. That’s not worth remembering? His Conn Smythe game tape is some of the most memorable net minding of the 21st century.

Tim Thomas has 2 Vezinas and a chip. Put him in, I don’t care if he only did it for six or seven years.

Chris Osgood. All Chris Osgood ever did was win. His playoff save percentage the last two years against the Crosby Penguins was never below
.926, and the year he won his GAA was 1.55! Chris Osgood was a gamer who wasn’t going to lose you the game, and would keep you in your share of them.


Fleury has a better career save percentage than Brodeur, the same career GAA as Roy, and he’s 3rd all time in wins. He’s a former 1st overall pick with three rings who’s been to three Finals as a starter on two different teams.

If that’s not a Hall of Famer to you, you do better.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by troutman

?
He’s only played 10 games for Canada since turning pro.

10-0 with 3 shutouts, 0.99 GAA, and 2 golds (one Olympic, one world championships).

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Lundquist? Luongo? Missing cups really hurts their cases.

Probably true. I've always found it frustrating how cup wins seem to be what is part of the silent criteria for a goalie. Both these players have made it to the finals, that should count for something. They both also have multiple Vezina and Hart nominations to their credit. Both were deemed the best at their positions at some point during their careers, or at least in the discussion. Both near the top on the all-time wins list.

If it were up to me, they'd both be a lock. As should Fleury, easily. It will be a travesty if Fleury doesn't get in. Price should be in to, easily.

Going back, I think Tim Thomas should be in as well. Late bloomer, but what an insane peak he had. One of the best peaks all-time IMO.

[DoubleK]

Tom Barrasso says hi.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

HHOF has clearly established a low bar for skaters. I’d say let them all in.

I’ll just assume you got autocorrected from Lowe bar


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[getbak]

I've been complaining about the ridiculously high standard that goalies are held to by the HHOF committee for years.


Only 21 goalies in NHL history have won at least 8 games in the Stanley Cup Final. Of those, 2 are still active (Quick and Murray) and one recently retired (Crawford).

16 of the 18 HHOF eligible goalies who have won at least 8 games in the Final are in the HHOF. The only 2 who aren't are Osgood and Vernon.


They should both be in there. Barrasso too.

[CroFlames]

The bar is hilariously low for skaters, and absurdly high for goalies.

MAF is a hall of famer, there should be no doubt, but...

Kevin Lowe, ladies and gentlemen.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The way the Hall of Fame treats goalies is disgraceful.

Curtis Joseph is a hall of Famer. He’s top 10 in wins, made two Olympic teams and a World Cup team, and is one of the most iconic goalies of his generation.

He doesn’t have hardware? Maybe cuz some guys named Hasek, Roy and Brodeur played At the same time.

He played on many awful teams who only achieved noteworthy things because he was their goalie.

Vernon has four trips to the Finals and two rings. #### you that’s not a hall of fame career. What else do you want him to do.

Giguere has a Conn Smythe in defeat and a championship. That’s not worth remembering? His Conn Smythe game tape is some of the most memorable net minding of the 21st century.

Tim Thomas has 2 Vezinas and a chip. Put him in, I don’t care if he only did it for six or seven years.

Chris Osgood. All Chris Osgood ever did was win. His playoff save percentage the last two years against the Crosby Penguins was never below
.926, and the year he won his GAA was 1.55! Chris Osgood was a gamer who wasn’t going to lose you the game, and would keep you in your share of them.


Fleury has a better career save percentage than Brodeur, the same career GAA as Roy, and he’s 3rd all time in wins. He’s a former 1st overall pick with three rings who’s been to three Finals as a starter on two different teams.

If that’s not a Hall of Famer to you, you do better.

Since 1980 only Fuhr, Roy, Brodeur, and Billy Smith I believe have been to the finals 4 or more times as a goalie.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Tom Barrasso says hi.

Tell him we're not interested and to get off our porch before I grab my shotgun