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[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yoho

One of us doesn’t.

Evidence is gathered and is presented to a Grand Jury of our peers. This Grand Jury looks at all the evidence and decides if there is enough to indict. If enough, there is an indictment and it goes to trial where a jury our our peers decides if a person is guilty or not.

Do you agree?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'll take that bet.

Biden has been a good civil servant for decades. Trump has been a low-level con man for decades. Only idiots follow Trump because Trump himself is an idiot. Trump was NEVER accepted by the New York social elite because they viewed him as a fool. It's one of the reasons why Trump hates the social elite circle of New York and Long Island. They never accepted him. It's why he went to Florida and Mara Lago and tried to buy his way into the inner circle and failed miserably. Trump is a loser but managers to hoodwink the stupid into believing he is something he is not. He's a con man, and you've been conned by a fool.

The parallels with Nigel Farage who has screwed the UK with Brexit are impressive, Farage is a jumped up middle class social climber who was rejected by the Tories when he tried to join the posh boys from Eton, his whole arc of destruction has been him trying to force his way into the upper classes and them laughing at him and tring to use him to their own ends

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Yoho

One of us doesn’t.

That would be you, fool.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Trump is not going to jail. He’s going to become president then pardon himself for everything, and then he is not going to leave office without a fight.

I disagree on all if this. Even if he is elected, he can’t pardon himself on state convictions.

[photon]

Even for state convictions I bet that any conviction would come with a sentence that avoids jail, or the governor would commute the sentence, or whatever.

The riots and violence that resulted from a jailed Trump probably wouldn't be worth the benefit.

Also a funny reminder on how dumb Trump is, he thinks because he was impeached over Jan 6 facing federal or state charges on it would be double jepoardy...

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I disagree on all if this. Even if he is elected, he can’t pardon himself on state convictions.

I think he figures the State charges in NY wont be successful or his sentence will be minimal. He may end up being right on that front sadly.

Its all about pushing this thing to post election so if he manages to win he can corruptly use his powers to pardon himself. Slime ball thru and thru. Not a shred of decency in that man. And yet millions of people support the guy, its hard to believe this is real life.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by photon

The riots and violence that resulted from a jailed Trump probably wouldn't be worth the benefit.

I contend that it’s worth the risk to preserve the democracy and rule of law, and to show that even a president isn’t above the law.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by photon

Even for state convictions I bet that any conviction would come with a sentence that avoids jail, or the governor would commute the sentence, or whatever.

The riots and violence that resulted from a jailed Trump probably wouldn't be worth the benefit.

Also a funny reminder on how dumb Trump is, he thinks because he was impeached over Jan 6 facing federal or state charges on it would be double jepoardy...

I have my doubts that the riots and violence would happen. His supporters saw what happened with Jan 6th and the many that got convicted and sent to prison. I doubt any of them would want to test the justice system again.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by photon

The riots and violence that resulted from a jailed Trump probably wouldn't be worth the benefit.

There can be no appeasement.

There is likely to be threats of violence regardless. Either retaliatory, or the cult emboldened to push their MAGA agenda further.

Trump is a chaos agent.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Dion

I have my doubts that the riots and violence would happen. His supporters saw what happened with Jan 6th and the many that got convicted and sent to prison. I doubt any of them would want to test the justice system again.

That is based on the failed assumption that these are sane rational people who understand the concept of actions and consequences.

[photon]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I contend that it’s worth the risk to preserve the democracy and rule of law, and to show that even a president isn’t above the law.

He could run and be elected president in prison though so a conviction and jail doesn't really accomplish more than a conviction and some other non-jail sentence would. Jail or not a conviction shows that a president isn't above the law and will be a deterrent to rational presidential candidates not named Trump.

But I don't totally disagree with you.

What if the sentencing included an agreement to never run for public office again? That's the actual consequence that I'd want.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The guy's a McNugget away from a massive coronary episode. Add in the emotional stress.

Just saying.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That is based on the failed assumption that these are sane rational people who understand the concept of actions and consequences.

Are you sure? You may want to consider the below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Donald Trump’s calls for protests before his anticipated indictment in New York have generated mostly muted reactions from supporters, with even some of his most ardent loyalists dismissing the idea as a waste of time or a law enforcement trap.

John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at Citizen Lab who has tracked the “Stop the Steal” movement online, said anxiety over being entrapped by so-called agent provocateurs feeds a “paranoia that if they go and do violence, they may get caught and there may be consequences.

“It seems to reduce a lot of people’s willingness to make big statements about being willing to go out” and engage in violence, he said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ind...65667bd5b4650c

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The guy's a McNugget away from a massive coronary episode. Add in the emotional stress.

Just saying.

Ghouls always seem to live surprisingly long, just look at Strom Thurmond. Maybe they're able to feed off of their hatred like a Sith

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The guy's a McNugget away from a massive coronary episode. Add in the emotional stress.

Just saying.

I dream of that day but the daily hamburgers and fries accompanied by those sugar-laden Cokes haven’t got him yet.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The guy's a McNugget away from a massive coronary episode. Add in the emotional stress.

Just saying.

He'd need to actually have a heart for that to happen.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by lanny_mcdonald

that would be you, fool.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1685335897389359104

[Wormius]

Well I guess because a racist cartoonist says so…

[MoneyGuy]

^^Democrats generally think that if Bidens committed a crime they should be prosecuted. When Trump does he’s revered and celebrated. One’s a cult and the other isn’t.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1685335897389359104

Still waiting for that so called proof of yours that the Democrats have the DOJ in their back pocket. I asked you yesterday and you gave no response. Frankly I don't expect that you will answer. That sounds familiar to me.