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Old 12-05-2018, 03:59 PM   #4221
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Yeah, as I said, as long as it prevents any veteran free agents worth a damn to ever consider signing with the Canucks I'm all for it.
As blaster said, he has been lazy and floating

Sending a player down who deserves it, isnt going to risk FA signings, especially when they are letting him play at home over playing for their ahl team
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:41 PM   #4222
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Yeah, as I said, as long as it prevents any veteran free agents worth a damn to ever consider signing with the Canucks I'm all for it.
I doubt that will be the deciding factor in whether a free agent signs with the Canucks or not. Gagner just hasn't looked good, which isn't a huge shock because he hasn't looked that good in a long time, except for a short stretch with the Blue Jackets. He was sent down to the AHL before with the Flyers in a situation that seems very similar.

Realistically he is a one dimensional offensive power play specialist whose offense has dried up as he is getting older. He will get paid a bunch of money for the next two seasons, which is why he signed in Vancouver in the first place.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:57 PM   #4223
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Good lord. Page four?!

After a loss at home to the Minnesota Wild Vancouver has recorded 4 points and one win in their last 13 games.

Vancouver is no good. Not good at all.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:00 PM   #4224
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4 divided by 26 points = 0.15

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Old 12-05-2018, 05:03 PM   #4225
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I’m legitimately worried they’re going to draft Hughes. With Edmonton it’s easy to write them off because of how many top 5 picks they’ve bungled, but I want the Canucks to suck forever as well. They need to start winning a few here.
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I’m legitimately worried they’re going to draft Hughes. With Edmonton it’s easy to write them off because of how many top 5 picks they’ve bungled, but I want the Canucks to suck forever as well. They need to start winning a few here.
To be fair they did select Virtanen, McCann, and Juolevi over Nylander/Ehlers, Pastrnak, and Tkachuk...

There is always room to be optimistic from a Flames fans perspective as Benning is batting at roughly 50% for early picks.
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I’m legitimately worried they’re going to draft Hughes. With Edmonton it’s easy to write them off because of how many top 5 picks they’ve bungled, but I want the Canucks to suck forever as well. They need to start winning a few here.
Clearly you are unfamiliar with the potent and unrelenting sort of voodoo that plagues Vancouver Canucks. (This is not the Edmonton Oilers we are talking about.) The draft lottery odds for the lowest-placed team are less than one-in-five to draft first overall. The Canucks are not winning that pick. If anything, they will probably finish last and draft #4.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:36 PM   #4229
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I’m legitimately worried they’re going to draft Hughes. With Edmonton it’s easy to write them off because of how many top 5 picks they’ve bungled, but I want the Canucks to suck forever as well. They need to start winning a few here.
No one deserves a century of endless suck like the sweat pants wearing 5 Cup Blowhards and their bottomless level of mouthy arrogance.
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To be fair they did select Virtanen, McCann, and Juolevi over Nylander/Ehlers, Pastrnak, and Tkachuk...

There is always room to be optimistic from a Flames fans perspective as Benning is batting at roughly 50% for early picks.
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:01 PM   #4231
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To be fair they did select Virtanen, McCann, and Juolevi over Nylander/Ehlers, Pastrnak, and Tkachuk...

There is always room to be optimistic from a Flames fans perspective as Benning is batting at roughly 50% for early picks.
there's also more to building a team than drafting players (they're not even particularly good at drafting players outside of the first round). i'm not worried, based on benning's body of work so far, about them building any kind of perennial contender
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there's also more to building a team than drafting players (they're not even particularly good at drafting players outside of the first round). i'm not worried, based on benning's body of work so far, about them building any kind of perennial contender
90% of contending teams build through the draft. Look most of the core players at the past few years of cup winners.

Washington: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov, Wilson, Holtby, Oshie
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Murray, Kessel, Sheary, Letang, Sestito, Guentzel
Los Angeles: Brown, Kopitar, Williams, Carter, Richards, Doughty, Quick, Gaborik.
Chicago: Kane, Teows, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Verseeg, Hjalmarsson

Most of the players have been drafted by the teams with really Hossa being the only key player acquired via free agency. It looks to me as though the successful teams build through the draft as well as through a few deft trades.

The real key seems to be finding players in the 2-4 rounds who can step up and outperform expectations... I don't know if Benning is that guy but the early returns are okay so far.
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:55 AM   #4233
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No one deserves a century of endless suck like the sweat pants wearing 5 Cup Blowhards and their bottomless level of mouthy arrogance.
False. I still remember what Canucks fans were like when the team was good. They are just as bad.
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90% of contending teams build through the draft. Look most of the core players at the past few years of cup winners.

Washington: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov, Wilson, Holtby, Oshie
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Murray, Kessel, Sheary, Letang, Sestito, Guentzel
Los Angeles: Brown, Kopitar, Williams, Carter, Richards, Doughty, Quick, Gaborik.
Chicago: Kane, Teows, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Verseeg, Hjalmarsson

Most of the players have been drafted by the teams with really Hossa being the only key player acquired via free agency. It looks to me as though the successful teams build through the draft as well as through a few deft trades.

The real key seems to be finding players in the 2-4 rounds who can step up and outperform expectations... I don't know if Benning is that guy but the early returns are okay so far.
bolded are trades, non first round picks, and free agent signings. seems like an arbitrary list to some extent. for example i'm not sure why you have sestito in there instead of someone like hornqvist or schultz or dumoulin. and regehr or mitchell or eller or niskanen or orlov were all important contributors who weren't first round picks of the cup teams.

anyway, my point stands. you need good drafting (beyond the first round) and development and smart trading and smart free agent acquisitions to win the cup. thus far, i've not seen evidence of any of these effective asset management functions from benning. the only benning-era late round pick on the canucks roster (once again bottom 3 in the league and theoretically easier to crack) is adam gaudette, who's not exactly blowing the doors off at the moment.

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To be fair they did select Virtanen, McCann, and Juolevi over Nylander/Ehlers, Pastrnak, and Tkachuk...

There is always room to be optimistic from a Flames fans perspective as Benning is batting at roughly 50% for early picks.
And every bad team has a couple really good players that they drafted. You can't worry about that.
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False. I still remember what Canucks fans were like when the team was good. They are just as bad.

Worse actually. More fight-y.
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I don't know if anyone here has seen the Weird NHL clips on the NHL website. Funny things, like players slipping, losing equipment and stuff like that.

But they also have Goalie miscues and weird goals. I swear like half of them are Markstrom terribly misplaying the puck leading to a goal against.
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Worse actually. More fight-y.

Canucks fans are just as terrible, but in a different way. When the team is lousy, they slither back into their hidey holes, only to emerge and go Super Saiyan obnoxious once the team is no longer stinky. Doesn’t help that the last time they were good the team itself was also a despicable smorgasbord of d-bags.

Oilers fans are moderately arrogant and intolerable regardless of (or despite) how sucktacular the team is.

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Worse actually. More fight-y.
Curious way to spell "riot".
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90% of contending teams build through the draft. Look most of the core players at the past few years of cup winners.

Washington: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov, Wilson, Holtby, Oshie
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Murray, Kessel, Sheary, Letang, Sestito, Guentzel
Los Angeles: Brown, Kopitar, Williams, Carter, Richards, Doughty, Quick, Gaborik.
Chicago: Kane, Teows, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Verseeg, Hjalmarsson

Most of the players have been drafted by the teams with really Hossa being the only key player acquired via free agency. It looks to me as though the successful teams build through the draft as well as through a few deft trades.

The real key seems to be finding players in the 2-4 rounds who can step up and outperform expectations... I don't know if Benning is that guy but the early returns are okay so far.
How in the hell is Tom Sestito grouped in with the likes of the rest of the Pens??? That guy is a complete bum and definitely not part of the "core", he has played a whopping 17 games for the Pens.
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