Charlottesville VA - WTF???

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Minnie

(but not really)

When this first happened, and was even posted in this thread, it was rumoured that the kid that did it was a Bernie supporter.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

When this first happened, and was even posted in this thread, it was rumoured that the kid that did it was a Bernie supporter.

I know. I saw, here and in reports online. Figured it was a smokescreen from idiots. My comment/gif isn't a dig at you, it just means "Oh looky there, shocking but not, that he was a white terrorist thug seen at a hate rally, with other white domestic terrorist thugs."

[getbak]

There's now an exemption to Godwin's Law... https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/statu...84949634232320

Mike Godwin‏ @sfmnemonic

By all means, compare these ####heads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.

[MarchHare]

@BettyBowers
All patriotic Americans want to know: Why didn't James Alex Fields' Christian family and pastor inform authorities of his radicalization?

https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/stat...55103913730048

[GreenLantern2814]

I had to take some time out of my day to list all the times I strengthened my argument by unironically quoting Hitler and/or unironically displaying a swastika.

I'm running out of parchment.

[Duruss]

Gah, the trolls are out in force over this. Stopped by the huffpo and the comments are trash dog whistle about the left, but when you go full on fascist everything is to the left including common sense and decency.

[chemgear]

4 years.



I can't even

https://twitter.com/memebrulee2/stat...67113385705472

[chemgear]

The new uniform.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nguard-america

The man accused of murdering a woman by deliberately driving into her during protests against a far-right rally was photographed earlier in the day standing with the white supremacist, neo-Nazi group Vanguard America.

Photographs from earlier that day appear to show Fields rallying with Vanguard America and carrying a shield bearing the group’s insignia. He wears the white polo shirt and khaki pants that are the group’s uniform.

[chemgear]

https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/stat...55103913730048

All patriotic Americans want to know: Why didn't James Alex Fields' Christian family and pastor inform authorities of his radicalization?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Trump won't condemn the white nationalists because those are his supporters and he doesn't want to alienate them. And it's not just the white nationalists in Charlottesville, it's all over the country. If he condemns them and he's basically condemning his entire voter base.

I mean think about that for second, the president of the United States of America won't condemn Nazis in his own ####ing country because he doesn't want to alienate his supporters.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by chemgear

no one should be remotely surprised by this....

While not all Trump supporters are racists, there are many racists who see Trump's message as one of White Identity Politics and flock to him for that very reason....

I just watched Obama's A More Perfect Union speech again, and am struck by how great an orator he is, but also how much he tried to appeal to white voters that felt they were disenfranchised and didn't try to trivialize those that had those feelings.

[Street Pharmacist]

So Trump's defense is likely to be that the local police allowed this to happen under McAuliffe's watch if the usual Breitbart signals are to be believed. He can flip the blame to a Democrat for being soft on crime and try to avoid the negative fallout (not that it will work this time)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...tream-account/

“I have a message to all the white supremist [sic] and the Nazis who came into Charlottesville today … You came here today to hurt people and you did hurt people,” McAuliffe told reporters at a press conference Saturday night.

The governor repeatedly emphasized the violence of “nazis” but made no reference to violence by any left-wing group, despite being asked repeatedly about what role such groups may have played in Saturday’s melee. The implication was clear that the violence was an unavoidable result of far-right white identity political groups being allowed to hold a rally.

But a report on police conduct during and after the rally by ProPublica, a left-leaning investigative journalism non-profit, as well as eyewitness accounts by those who participated in the rally itself, have called the simplicity of this characterization into question. Both suggest mismanagement of police resources by political leadership may have exacerbated, rather than controlled, the violence surrounding the rally and the counter-protests, which included mainstream liberals and local faith-based “anti-racism” groups as well as radical leftist “Black Lives Matter” (BLM) and “Anti-Fascist Action” (Antifa) outfits

All four also took issue with the idea they or anyone associated with them had been the prime movers in the violence that broke out around the Lee statue. Asked when the Antifa attacks began George told Breitbart News, “Immediately. The very first convoy was already being hit by Antifa. As we got into the entrance, you would have people pushing you.”

“We initiated, from what I saw, literally none of the violence. I would say, of the violence initated 98 percent Antifa, two percent ours, and that’s just out of margin of error,” George said.

The media widely reported the rally as a “Ku Klux Klan” or “neo-Nazi” march. None of the Alt-Right activists or other attendees with whom Breitbart News spoke denied that self-identified “KKK members” and “Nazis” including a contingent of the decades-old National Socialist Movement (NSM) were present at the rally. All, however, downplayed their significance and claimed these groups mostly kept to themselves on one side of Emancipation Park. “I was on the side with mostly Alt-Right. The other end was the NSM,” George said.

Wow. Don't believe what you saw people. Or the reporters on the ground. Or the guys that were marching. Or the flags. Or chants. Or 3%ers militia with their guns. These guys were just there to peacefully demonstrate their love for US history

[Resolute 14]

Angry white racist photographed at nazi rally shocked and disappointed that he is being viewed as being an angry white racist:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7891791.html

[CaptainCrunch]

This leads to the conversation of how much freedom of speech is too much freedom of speech, how much freedom to protest and assemble is too much freedom to protest and assemble.

We walk the fine line when we see images of angry white supremacists marching with lit torches. Its the old if they're not violent they can do what they want. However what we're seeing is distinct groups protesting each other and confronting each other and like a match being thrown on old newspapers it goes up in flames quickly.

Why give anyone the freedom to march? Why not make rallies illegal unless your going to rally in this abandoned industrial area on Sunday at Midnight that the police have set aside for you.

It just seems to me, that these fringe groups the Nazi's the white supremacists, the Antifa, aren't protesting, they're not practicing their freedom of speech and expression and discontentment. Wait, some in those groups might absolutely be doing that, but these protests by design are made to inflame and get two distinct angry groups in close relation to each other.

Do we need to change the old saying "I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it to my dying breath". to "Shut your mouth you can't say that". And then who defines what's out of bounds.

[ResAlien]

Well, hate speech isn't and shouldn't be protected and I think more of the argument is they can't drive cars into crowds and murder people. Oh my, truly begs the question of who will watch the watchmen doesn't it?

They're not exactly demonstrating peacefully. How the hell is "Nazis are bad" a hot take now that's somehow considered up for debate?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Well, hate speech isn't and shouldn't be protected and I think more of the argument is they can't drive cars into crowds and murder people. Oh my, truly begs the question of who will watch the watchmen doesn't it?

They're not exactly demonstrating peacefully. How the hell is "Nazis are bad" a hot take now that's somehow considered up for debate?

Ok, but what and who defines hate speech? Should the only thing that should be restricted is incitement of violence?

Its not a hot take, Nazi's and Skinheads and the other groups are bad period end of story.

And yeah, I know driving a car into a protest, or brawling during a protest are all criminal actions, that falls outside of any kind of constitutional argument and into the duh argument.

What happens when a government gets to decide what constitutes speech that's not protected by Constitutional rights?

[Weitz]

One thing I learned yesterday watching the National is that "American History X" was based on a true story. They were interviewing the guy the movie was based on. Crazy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Also, that's completely and utterly wrong. Hate speech is protected by the first amendment. Technically it's also protected freedom of expression here under s.2(b), it's just overridden by s.1 of the Charter in certain circumstances. But it's absolutely protected speech in the USA.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This leads to the conversation of how much freedom of speech is too much freedom of speech, how much freedom to protest and assemble is too much freedom to protest and assemble.

Don't forget, assembling and protesting while packing guns.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This leads to the conversation of how much freedom of speech is too much freedom of speech, how much freedom to protest and assemble is too much freedom to protest and assemble.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled on this in National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, when Nazis planned a march through a Chicago neighbourhood full of holocaust survivors. Even Nazi marches and swastikas are protected by the first amendment.