[PGT] Tampa douses the Flames 8-3.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, I mean, Vasilevsky was arguably no better than Vladar last night, but his team was better than Vladar’s.

Vasilevskiy does have a history of success in the NHL. He can afford a poor game where his team wins by 5 goals.

Vladar is likely fighting to stay a meaningful back up in the NHL, with his third consecutive year of below .900 goaltending.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Vasilevskiy does have a history of success in the NHL. He can afford a poor game where his team wins by 5 goals.

Vladar is likely fighting to stay a meaningful back up in the NHL, with his third consecutive year of below .900 goaltending.

That has nothing to do with the game itself. They each had a mediocre night. As far as save%, there's a bunch of starters with save percentages like that. And Vasilevski was .900 last season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No he isn't.

Flame fans hate Flame goalies (other than Kipper and Wolf), it's unbelievable

LOL are you kidding? Lankinen's career .906 SV% is very good for a backup goaltender and borders on starting. He did a fantastic job holding things down for the Canucks who haven't really playing as well as they have last season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL are you kidding? Lankinen's career .906 SV% is very good for a backup goaltender and borders on starting. He did a fantastic job holding things down for the Canucks who haven't really playing as well as they have last season.

Sure. And I have no doubt Vladar would have done a similar job in that situation. VAN made that other young goalie look good for a while.too.

Situation matters massively for goalies, especially the average ones

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That has nothing to do with the game itself. They each had a mediocre night. As far as save%, there's a bunch of starters with save percentages like that. And Vasilevski was .900 last season.

And they're all considered to be having bad seasons.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ped

And they're all considered to be having bad seasons.

Yet they’re starters, and Vladar would be a backup in any trade. Worse goalies than him get traded every year.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Ped

And they're all considered to be having bad seasons.

… By uninformed people who aren’t keeping up

For some time this year, league average save percentage was in the .800s

It has come up to an even .900

Anything above .900 is above average this year

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL are you kidding? Lankinen's career .906 SV% is very good for a backup goaltender and borders on starting. He did a fantastic job holding things down for the Canucks who haven't really playing as well as they have last season.

You genuinely think you can compare a guy playing behind the Vancouver D corps to the borderline AHLers in Calgary

His last year in Chicago was .891 when league average was .907

Then he played for Nashville. He put up .916 and .908 those 2 years where Saros put up .919 and .906

That’s the kind of stuff you should be looking at. Those track closely. Remember when I mentioned fungibility of goalies?

[genetic_phreek]

Not sure where to put this post. I know points in the standings are king as it's what determines where you are and currently we're over .500 in points percentage. I rather look at win percentage to determine how good we are. We've won 14 games out of 30. So essentially lost more games than won. How does the rest of y'all look at things?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Not sure where to put this post. I know points in the standings are king as it's what determines where you are and currently we're over .500 in points percentage. I rather look at win percentage to determine how good we are. We've won 14 games out of 30. So essentially lost more games than won. How does the rest of y'all look at things?

At the end of the day total points come first

Regulation and overtime wins are the tiebreaker

It’s complicated because some games are worth 3 points and some are worth 2

In theory you would think that with 32 teams, generally being over .500 is good. But if you win 41 outright and lose 41 outright, 82 points is very far from a playoff berth

Long story short, close games and loser points matter

That is the best hope of this team

[Draug]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames fall out of a playoff spot with this loss.

At this point, I'm definitely pro tank. This team is clearly way outmatched against legit contenders. Hustle can only get you so far. A nice skid followed by a big deal for Andersson and/or Weegar would be nice way to end the year out.

That just flat out sucks! Are you paying for tickets every game?

I'd much rather prefer a competitive season. Build around Andersson and Weeger, Wolf, Zary, Pelletier, Sharongovich, and others.

Play to win. Play to make the playoffs. Paying hundreds of bucks each night for a meaningless game completely sucks.

But, at the same time, don't give up assets on a Cup Pipedream. And you can never let assets leave for free. No losses on the waiver wire. Any UFA that isn't signing is traded for whatever you can get; even a 5th or 6th or 7th! Use free cap space to build assets and a portfolio of hopeful prospects.

Thoughts?

That's how I would do it! But I'll at home building software, so what do I really know!

[Ped]

… By uninformed people who aren’t keeping up

Thought we were talking about goalies with SPCT around Vladar (.885). Swayman, Varlamov, Jarry, etc

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Not sure where to put this post. I know points in the standings are king as it's what determines where you are and currently we're over .500 in points percentage. I rather look at win percentage to determine how good we are. We've won 14 games out of 30. So essentially lost more games than won. How does the rest of y'all look at things?

For determining where they really stand, I look primarily at two things:

1. Games over .500 - Flames currently T-14 at +3 with NYR and COL, neither of whom they can keep pace with, and 3 more teams are at +2
2. Goal differential - Flames are T-23 with STL

Combining the two, the Flames feel like they should be about the 17-18 range, and trending downward.

The other telling stat right now is RW. The Flames have 9, which is tied for 20th with UTH, PIT and NYI. Four teams (CHI, NSH, SJS and PHI) have 7, and 5 teams have 8 (ANA, MTL, DET, BUF, and STL).

When you look at those numbers, you realize just how close the Flames are to the bottom 10. One bad streak where they lose 4 or 5 in a row, and they are in the bottom 10 with little chance of recovery IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

At the end of the day total points come first

Regulation and overtime wins are the tiebreaker

It’s complicated because some games are worth 3 points and some are worth 2

In theory you would think that with 32 teams, generally being over .500 is good. But if you win 41 outright and lose 41 outright, 82 points is very far from a playoff berth

Long story short, close games and loser points matter

That is the best hope of this team

In fact, 82 points is pretty much the annual cutoff to be in the bottom 10.

In the last 10 years, only once has the 10th from last team had less than 80 pts (21/22 MTL had 76). Every other year (ignoring the two Covid-shortened years) 10th last has had 80-82 pts.

The other outlier was 16/17 where CAR had 87 pts. That year, there was only one really bad team, and the standings overall were pretty tight.

I think this year is looking a lot like 16/17, with tight standings. None the less, I think if the Flames get under .500 at thus less than 82 pts, that likely gets them into the bottom 10. Less than 80, and it's a virtual certainty.

82 pts (.500) is to getting into the bottom 10, as 96 pts is to making the playoffs. It is the goal of the lottery snake!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

82 pts (.500) is to getting into the bottom 10, as 96 pts is to making the playoffs. It is the goal of the lottery snake!

Snek no play lottery. Pet rok play lottery. Pet rok keep nice and still so machine with magic balls can do all the work.

[Tsawwassen]

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