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Old 01-21-2018, 04:43 PM   #161
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"If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed."



That's the only relevant paragraph, all the paragraphs about an attacking player don't matter. The word "incidental" isn't found here. A defender must be pushed, shoved, or fouled, or else the rule cannot apply. Clearly Tkachuk did not push, shove or foul. Incidental bump yes, but that cannot matter, by the rule as written.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:04 PM   #162
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I still find myself furious over the officiating from yesterday.

The Monahan “penalty” was such a huge pile of BS. Myers moves into the path of Monahan with no intention of playing the puck, for the sole purpose of impeding Monahan.

Connor Hellebuyck, although Hendricks head touched his shoulder, the delay appeared to be more of Hellebuyck losing site of the puck and not tracking it left to right. Hellebuyck was not impeded with or restricted from making the save, he was late in picking up the puck in the scrum and simply didn’t move in time.

The combination of these events as well as the poor skating and the loss was inevitable. If that goal is allowed, the jets are deflated and the Flames win easily.

I’m still fuming from this one
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Go to 1:00 of that clip. It'd obvious that it's the contact from Tkachuk into the back of Hendricks that causes him to contact Hellybuck in the crease, and that contact causes Hellybuck to move to his left.

As for "He would not have been able to get back into position", (a) that's not part of the rule, and (b) Hellybuck just misses the rebound, so your assertion is nowhere near definitive.
That was the right call. If it was the other way around the same people would be calling for a no goal.
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I still find myself furious over the officiating from yesterday.

The Monahan “penalty” was such a huge pile of BS. Myers moves into the path of Monahan with no intention of playing the puck, for the sole purpose of impeding Monahan.

Connor Hellebuyck, although Hendricks head touched his shoulder, the delay appeared to be more of Hellebuyck losing site of the puck and not tracking it left to right. Hellebuyck was not impeded with or restricted from making the save, he was late in picking up the puck in the scrum and simply didn’t move in time.

The combination of these events as well as the poor skating and the loss was inevitable. If that goal is allowed, the jets are deflated and the Flames win easily.

I’m still fuming from this one
How about the two non calls against the jets in the 3rd then a weak call going for the flames.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:58 PM   #165
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How about the two non calls against the jets in the 3rd then a weak call going for the flames.
How about the blatant highstick and roughing delivered to Mangiapane during the game? Or Brouwer getting hooked right before Brodie scored that wasn't getting called?

I thought there were 5 or 6 blatant penalties missed to Winnipeg during the first and second, and then the 3rd they refs tried to make up for it.
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I thought it was a pretty entertaining game overall. I'd enjoy a Jets vs. Flames playoff series.

Should have probably had 2 points, but you take the point and move onto the next one. Flames get to sit in second for at least a few hours.
I think we were watching different games. The Jets dominated us the whole game and, but for other world goaltending, we would have got clobbered.

I want no part of that team in a 7 game series.
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The Flames didn't have any finish, but if they had, they would have scored 4 or 5. They got the Jets to turn the puck over and created dangerous counter-attacks, caught them on odd-man breaks much more than they were caught, and were by no means the worse team out there. It was pretty even - unless you come here, where the consensus is more than they should have been soundly thrashed.
With all due respect, this is pure homerism. We were dominated and Smith saved the game. Out shot and chanced badly. The ice was tilted the whole game.

Good thing we have a Vezina candidate in net
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With all due respect, this is pure homerism. We were dominated and Smith saved the game. Out shot and chanced badly. The ice was tilted the whole game.

Good thing we have a Vezina candidate in net
High danger scoring chances were 7-6 WPG.
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High danger scoring chances were 7-6 WPG.
Fair enough. But anyone watching that game objectively had to see we were getting beat all over the ice. It looked like we were short handed the whole
Second period. Jets had all the jump.

Having said that the disallowed goal was complete bs
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With all due respect, this is pure homerism. We were dominated and Smith saved the game. Out shot and chanced badly. The ice was tilted the whole game.



Good thing we have a Vezina candidate in net
With all due respect, this is pure despondency.

The Flames were outshot in the first period, but then actually outshot the Jets through the rest of the game. Chances were more accurately very evenly split between both teams. The ice was only “tilted” if your perspective of this team is significantly prejudiced at the outset to expect poor showings from the Flames.

Good thing for Winnipeg they survived to see a shootout.
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Fair enough. But anyone watching that game objectively had to see we were getting beat all over the ice. It looked like we were short handed the whole

Second period. Jets had all the jump...
There is no such thing as watching a hockey game “objectively.” Your interpretation of yesterday’s game is good proof of that.
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There is no such thing as watching a hockey game “objectively.” Your interpretation of yesterday’s game is good proof of that.
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I thought it was a pretty even game except for that period after the disallowed goal. Winnipeg came out firing on all cyniders and Flames were on their heels.
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