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View Poll Results: What role do humans play in contributing to climate change?
Humans are the primary contributor to climate change 392 62.92%
Humans contribute to climate change, but not the main cause 163 26.16%
Not sure 37 5.94%
Climate change is a hoax 31 4.98%
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:46 AM   #981
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This is a pretty length pdf but it is a study on how Colorado can achieve its carbon goals and the investment required. Covers everything from job displacement/training, capital required, and renewable breakdown. I am no expert on this, and the price tag is massive, but it was interesting to see in "practice" how the shift could happen.

https://www.peri.umass.edu/component...m-for-colorado
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I think it's going to take the evacuation of a small island nation going underwater and a whole whack of climate refugees that need to go somewhere before world leaders start taking this seriously - when the responsibility for climate change happening in other parts of the world now begins hit them economically. It seems no potent storms, heatwaves, wildfires or anything else is going to convince nations to increase their commitments to CO2 reduction and climate protection.

Environmental damage and a huge shift to the political right in a recipe for disaster IMO.
Not sure even a larger catastrophic event would sway the political will of the biggest emitters. They're all looking out for themselves.

China
USA
India
Russia

It's valid to be screaming from the rooftops about the subject but I don't see the will of the people & governments of these countries changing drastically.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:16 AM   #983
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Not sure even a larger catastrophic event would sway the political will of the biggest emitters. They're all looking out for themselves.

China
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India
Russia

It's valid to be screaming from the rooftops about the subject but I don't see the will of the people & governments of these countries changing drastically.
THIS is the biggest hurdle! The big emitters aren’t going to change in near future.

If Canada wants to make any real difference, we need to stop rewarding them for exploiting the environment! We allow companies to ship in finished goods, that are produced cheaper in these countries, why can they produce it cheaper? They don’t care about standards, environment, human rights, etc.

It would cost us a bit more in the short term, by increasing the cost of goods, but if the companies were legislated to produce the goods here, it would help our economy, while helping the environment. It would also reduce transportation costs and fuel, again lowering the environmental impact.

You know what else would LOWER the impact? Producing and refining our OWN petroleum products! We import far too much, especially when we have them right here! Petroleum is used for far more than just fuel, and even the electric vehicles need it for their components!

But no, we pander to the short sighted environmental groups, who think cold turkey is the only way! The ones paid by the worst offenders...
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:38 AM   #984
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If we are going to use your silly analogy, the action that you are calling for is that the patient has all of their limbs amputated, is chemically castrated, and made blind. Oh and by the way, even then, it is still unlikely that the treatment will actually work.
WTF? Transitioning away from fossil fuels is going to see us all have our arms and legs cut off, our nuts lopped off, and made blind? Just a little bit of hyperbole perchance?

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In Greta Thunberg's speech, she talked about reducing global emissions by 50% within 10 years (something that will not happen, and if it did, would cause mass starvation and death) and yet she still proclaimed that that target was woefully unacceptable. The time for discussion to end is when someone actually proposes a plausible idea that will work.
Any you called the young Swede a fear monger? Holy ####.

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This is a pretty length pdf but it is a study on how Colorado can achieve its carbon goals and the investment required. Covers everything from job displacement/training, capital required, and renewable breakdown. I am no expert on this, and the price tag is massive, but it was interesting to see in "practice" how the shift could happen.

https://www.peri.umass.edu/component...m-for-colorado
So there is a comprehensive plan, it is realistic, and it would work? You mean Coloradoans won't lose their arms, legs, nuts, eyes, and starve to death??? You mean their are real alternatives to fossil fuels and we can transition away from them? No! This can't be true.

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Old 09-24-2019, 09:41 AM   #985
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Not sure even a larger catastrophic event would sway the political will of the biggest emitters. They're all looking out for themselves.

China
USA
India
Russia

It's valid to be screaming from the rooftops about the subject but I don't see the will of the people & governments of these countries changing drastically.
These four countries account for 54% of the worlds carbon emissions. Canada accounts for 2%. Any environmentalist that focuses on Canada is completely out of touch and is just trying to pick the easy fruit.

Guess what Canada, we can wipe ourselves off the face of the earth and carbon emissions are still going to be a global problem.

Here in Canada there’s very little anyone can do. Forget about the crumbs in the kitchen when there’s a ton of garbage on your living room floor.

Canadians are notorious virtue signalers.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:45 AM   #986
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Anybody know what changes 16 year old Greta Thornberg has made in her own life to help with climate change or is she just a spokesperson for everyone else to make a change?

Has she impressed me? No. Anybody can stand at a podium and scream at the top of their lungs.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:49 AM   #987
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Twitter post totally looks like fear mongering.

Greta Thunberg:
”People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.”

You’ve complained about it Greta, now what’s your out of the box solution.
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Anybody know what changes 16 year old Greta Thornberg has made in her own life to help with climate change or is she just a spokesperson for everyone else to make a change?

Has she impressed me? No. Anybody can stand at a podium and scream at the top of their lungs.
A few things have already been discussed in this thread. She convinced her mom to change her job as it involved international flying. She stopped eating meat. She sailed instead of flying to NY to make her speech. I'm sure there's more.

She didn't scream at the top of her lungs.
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I take back anything positive I said about this girl

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Twitter post totally looks like fear mongering.

Greta Thunberg:
”People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.”

You’ve complained about it Greta, now what’s your out of the box solution.
This wasn't a twitter post, it was part of her speech she made.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1141236546714112000

Yeah, what little Greta and these other idealists don't understand is that the resource is going to move regardless. Take your pick, pipeline, or locomotive, it has to be one or the other. I'm no scientist but I would wager the pipeline comes with a significantly lower carbon footprint.
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Maybe we could all start with buying less disposable crap that we don't need or bigger things than we need. Buy quality stuff that lasts. Stop creating a demand to produce cheap things.
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So there is a comprehensive plan, it is realistic, and it would work? You mean Coloradoans won't lose their arms, legs, nuts, eyes, and starve to death??? You mean their are real alternatives to fossil fuels and we can transition away from them? No! This can't be true.

Did you read it though? It refers only to Coloradians CO2 production from energy, and industry within Colorado. Does not comment on CO2 related to the things Coloradians consume (ie. CO2 that is produced in other jurisdictions for goods supplied to Colorado). I like that it is taking a realistic look at what might need to be done but it still discounts that climate change is a global phenomenon.
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A few things have already been discussed in this thread. She convinced her mom to change her job as it involved international flying. She stopped eating meat. She sailed instead of flying to NY to make her speech. I'm sure there's more.

She didn't scream at the top of her lungs.
Good for her. She should continue to not use planes. No exceptions. Even when the spotlight is off.
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I think it's going to take the evacuation of a small island nation going underwater and a whole whack of climate refugees that need to go somewhere before world leaders start taking this seriously - when the responsibility for climate change happening in other parts of the world now begins hit them economically. It seems no potent storms, heatwaves, wildfires or anything else is going to convince nations to increase their commitments to CO2 reduction and climate protection.

Environmental damage and a huge shift to the political right in a recipe for disaster IMO.
Why would anyone want our "world leaders" to be in charge of fixing climate change? Can you name one world leader you'd like to see leading the effort? You call out the political right, is everyone on the political left using way less carbon energy?
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You’ve complained about it Greta, now what’s your out of the box solution.
She showed us her solution, sailboats.
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A few things have already been discussed in this thread. She convinced her mom to change her job as it involved international flying. She stopped eating meat. She sailed instead of flying to NY to make her speech. I'm sure there's more.

She didn't scream at the top of her lungs.
Did that save energy? If so how much?
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Maybe we could all start with buying less disposable crap that we don't need or bigger things than we need. Buy quality stuff that lasts. Stop creating a demand to produce cheap things.
100%. Right to repair. Stop making product deliberately convoluted so they cannot be easily repaired.
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Maybe we could all start with buying less disposable crap that we don't need or bigger things than we need. Buy quality stuff that lasts. Stop creating a demand to produce cheap things.
Agreed. One thing we should stop doing too, is buying big-ass, unnecessary gas guzzling tanks as personal vehicles. These behemoth trucks / SUVs have, for a large part, moved away from their utilitarian purpose in recent decades and now people drive them simply because... they want one. The Western provinces are really guilty of this.

A transition to more fuel-efficient / electric models with less of an environmental footprint, including reducing the amount of driving we need to do by investing in clean / robust / easy-to-access public transportation and cycling infrastructure, is a great start.
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good article, gives some perspective. Comments from dan nepstad, a lead author of the most recent ipcc report, as well as one of the world’s lead experts on the amazon forest in particular.
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Why would anyone want our "world leaders" to be in charge of fixing climate change? Can you name one world leader you'd like to see leading the effort? You call out the political right, is everyone on the political left using way less carbon energy?
I'm very much happy to put credible and reputable scientists at the forefront of our decision-making process and at the head of democracy. It's a long time overdue that reckless and feckless politicians be removed from power and let a leading team of scientists take over. Right and left should be a thing of the past, only science should direct us from here, and respond appropriately to climate challenges in our own country.
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This is how Canada generates electricity



On the surface it would seem like we'd greatly benefit from battery electric vehicles. Only partially true, in mild areas yes the carbon footprint would be much lower than a gas burner. But in cold areas a BEV has poor efficiency overall, not the car itself but it takes a lot of power to heat the cabin.

For example a Tesla Model 3 goes about 400km on the equivalent energy as 7.5 liters of gasoline, driven in mild weather. In cold weather the wasted heat of a petrol car keeps you warm, in the Tesla there is little waste energy so you end up using a similar amount of energy as the petrol car.
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