[Trade] Isles acquire Matt Martin from Toronto - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

sureLoss · 07-03-2018, 01:02 PM

New York Islanders @NYIslanders
#Isles Transaction: The team has acquired Matt Martin from the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Eamon McAdam.

FlamesNation23 · 07-03-2018, 01:02 PM

Lmao oh god. Didnt they just sign komarov too

ComixZone · 07-03-2018, 01:02 PM

That's a mighty Marting deal!

sureLoss · 07-03-2018, 01:05 PM

So the trade now looks like:

Tavares + McAdam for Komarov, Martin, and Lamoriello... What a blockbuster.

Baaarrden · 07-03-2018, 01:09 PM

Lou just helping the Leafs free up cap space

Robbob · 07-03-2018, 01:10 PM

I think Lou is still on the Leafs payroll, or at least acting like it.

Sylvanfan · 07-03-2018, 01:14 PM

Just watch the Islanders knock the Leafs out of the playoffs on the last day of the season.

TheoFleury · 07-03-2018, 01:27 PM

The islanders have quite the collection of overpaid bottom 6ers

Oil Stain · 07-03-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

I think Lou is still on the Leafs payroll, or at least acting like it.

Sure looks like an inside job.

SuperMatt18 · 07-03-2018, 01:32 PM

Lol he takes their worst contract after they poach his star player.

You just know he thinks he fleeced them too.

"Hahaha just got a gritty character guy for nothing. Stupid Dubas."

Guy is a dinosaur and I still think he hurt Tavares staying in NYI more than he helped.

Oling_Roachinen · 07-03-2018, 02:04 PM

With 20M+ in cap, the Islanders clearly aren't afraid of hitting the cap ceiling. So this is all about salary, not an artificial cap that doesn't affect the budget, to the Islanders.

Martin makes $0.75M this year and $1.75M next year for an average of $1.25M. Not incomparable to other face punchers left in the league. And prior to this last year he was a serviceable player that was almost never scratched. As a young forward group, a gritty veteran is something that the Islanders were going to look for one way or another. Hardly a deal that needs to be criticized.

calumniate · 07-03-2018, 02:09 PM

Haha, Martin still has to keep his beard shaved now?

Diemenz · 07-03-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

The islanders have quite the collection of overpaid bottom 6ers

His bonus was already paid so he’s only being paid 750k this year. However his cap hit is 2.5 so it does help out Toronto save 5 million in cap over 2 years in trade for a goalie that is seemingly about 6 on the depth chart in TO

Swayze11 · 07-03-2018, 02:21 PM

2.5 mill cap hit for a borderline NHLer. Seems like Lou still works for the Leafs.

Geeoff · 07-03-2018, 02:40 PM

I thought these two teams hated each other now? Isn't that the narrative the media was going with? Isles were for sure going to offer sheet Mitch Marner and William Nylander...

SuperMatt18 · 07-03-2018, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

With 20M+ in cap, the Islanders clearly aren't afraid of hitting the cap ceiling. So this is all about salary, not an artificial cap that doesn't affect the budget, to the Islanders.

Martin makes $0.75M this year and $1.75M next year for an average of $1.25M. Not incomparable to other face punchers left in the league. And prior to this last year he was a serviceable player that was almost never scratched. As a young forward group, a gritty veteran is something that the Islanders were going to look for one way or another. Hardly a deal that needs to be criticized.

Less about the player, more about helping out a conference rival with their cap troubles only 48 hours after your franchise player decided to leave you to go to them.

Oling_Roachinen · 07-03-2018, 03:53 PM

Matt Martin, by all accounts, is a tenacious player with a good locker room presence that was a fan favourite for the Islanders not long ago for his strong work ethic and gritty performance. The type of veteran presence you want to fill your bottom lineup with when you're in a rebuild playing the young players.

You're saying they shouldn't have acquired him and paid more for someone of perceived lesser qualities because a player chose to leave the organization? Can the Islanders really blame the Leafs for wanting Tavares?

That seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the foot.

We're talking about a 29 year old with 500+ games under his belt making league minimum this year. If not the Islanders, some other team would have grabbed him by the start of the season. His cap hit is terrible, his contract is at worst UFA value.

SuperMatt18 · 07-03-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Matt Martin, by all accounts, is a tenacious player with a good locker room presence that was a fan favourite for the Islanders not long ago for his strong work ethic and gritty performance. The type of veteran presence you want to fill your bottom lineup with when you're in a rebuild playing the young players.

You're saying they shouldn't have acquired him and paid more for someone of perceived lesser qualities because a player chose to leave the organization? Can the Islanders really blame the Leafs for wanting Tavares?

That seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the foot.

We're talking about a 29 year old with 500+ games under his belt making league minimum this year. If not the Islanders, some other team would have grabbed him by the start of the season. His cap hit is terrible, his contract is at worst UFA value.

They just didn't really have a need for him. They already have 14 NHL forwards on the roster.

I'd get your point about not overpaying in UFA but they already overpaid for other bottom 6 talent in UFA since they just signed Kuhnhackl, Komarov, and Flippula for the bottom 6. Plus they already had Cizikas, & Clutterbuck under contract for the 4th line.

Unless the Leafs are adding an incentive for you to take on that cap hit then you shouldn't be doing them any favours with their cap situation by taking on a guy that isn't going to move the needle for you on your roster.

And to top up that's not just the Islanders that would be stupid for taking Martin IMO - when a team like that puts themselves in a tough spot make them pay to get out of it, don't just give them a get out of jail free card. Especially when the player is a 4th liner / 13th forward.

Oling_Roachinen · 07-03-2018, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They just didn't really have a need for him. They already have 14 NHL forwards on the roster.

No they don't, they now have 13. Johnston is far from being an NHL forward at this point. He'll likely sign another two-way contract and be a callup for any fourth liner who gets injured, just like last year. So no matter what, they needed to sign someone and that someone was going to get at least what Martin did if they wanted an NHL vet.

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'd get your point about not overpaying in UFA but they already overpaid for other bottom 6 talent in UFA since they just signed Kuhnhackl, Komarov, and Flippula for the bottom 6. Plus they already had Cizikas, & Clutterbuck under contract for the 4th line.

None of that changes the fact that they needed another forward, and at league minimum this year, Matt Martin is a perfectly acceptable - if not great - person for that.

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Unless the Leafs are adding an incentive for you to take on that cap hit then you shouldn't be doing them any favours with their cap situation by taking on a guy that isn't going to move the needle for you on your roster.

I have no clue of the goalie situation in New York this season, but maybe getting rid of a ECHL backup contract helped bring in another goalie in Lehner without causing a logjam through the ranks.

There's also the fact that maybe the Islanders do need to worry about the cap afterall. Even with Matt Martin's 2.5M they are less than 1M over the floor with Pulock and Nelson to sign. So if they keep the team as is they are fine, but if they do want to start looking at retooling and selling off assets, moving some of their higher priced assets (Eberle, Boychuk, Ladd (although impossible to move) without taking back equal salary could mean missing the cap floor. Martin actually gives them flexibility in that regard.

The Islanders could very easily be entering this rebuild with the idea of spending as little as possible. With Matt Martin making 2.5M in cap but only 0.75M, that could save them a not-insignificant $1,750,000 if they were to be at the absolute minimum in cap at the end of the year.

Again, there's more reason for them to take on Matt Martin then there is against. The only reason not to is because it helps a conference team - except they aren't expecting to compete this year or next so that makes no difference.

savemedrzaius · 07-03-2018, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They just didn't really have a need for him. They already have 14 NHL forwards on the roster.

I'd get your point about not overpaying in UFA but they already overpaid for other bottom 6 talent in UFA since they just signed Kuhnhackl, Komarov, and Flippula for the bottom 6. Plus they already had Cizikas, & Clutterbuck under contract for the 4th line.

Unless the Leafs are adding an incentive for you to take on that cap hit then you shouldn't be doing them any favours with their cap situation by taking on a guy that isn't going to move the needle for you on your roster.

And to top up that's not just the Islanders that would be stupid for taking Martin IMO - when a team like that puts themselves in a tough spot make them pay to get out of it, don't just give them a get out of jail free card. Especially when the player is a 4th liner / 13th forward.

It's a 2.5 million cap hit for 2 seasons. I don't know how this contract had the Leafs in cap hell. If they wanted to they could have kept him in tbe pressbox no problem.

If anything this is a favour the Leafs are doing for Martin. By all accounts mutliple teams were.interested in Martin. He is a better player than Reaves who just signed for 3 million a year.They likely could have got sonething more than a ECHL goalje.But they sent Martin back to NYI were he is familiar and his a history. Good deal for both teams.