View Poll Results: When will the ring road be completed?
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1-3 years
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10-19-2020, 04:14 PM
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#3961
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Join Date: Apr 2003
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Originally Posted by Acey
Nice. Anyone else with a tangible reduction in commute or regular drives?
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I take 14th to and from work and congestion seems much lighter than before and it makes sense.
I take NB 14th to eastbound Glenmore and most days, 95% of the traffic moving NB on 14th is making its way to westbound Glenmore (pre ring road). Granted, not 100% sure where most of that traffic originated but sure seems like a good chunk of it has moved to the new portion of the ring road.
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10-19-2020, 04:33 PM
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#3962
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Southland will be faster. Only two sets of lights (same as Anderson) and eastbound traffic is light.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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10-26-2020, 12:11 PM
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#3963
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Voted for Kodos
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Ok, rant here:
Had to use WB Stoney to SB Macleod exit fir the first time since construction. The permanent signage appears to be in place there, but MAKES NO MENTION of needing to exit there in order to turn southbound onto Macleod Trail. I’ve now driven it another time to confirm. Unacceptable.
So after I miss that exit, and have to go all the way to James Mackevitt to turn around, I come back East bound. They have a temporary exit to SB Macleod currently. Luckily I didn’t miss it, AS THERE IS NO SIGNAGE OF ANY KIND signalling tgat this is where to turn to get onto SB Macleod.
How do the people managing this still have jobs?
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10-26-2020, 12:15 PM
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#3964
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Can you get onto Westhills way going west on stoney? We missed the turn because we didn't see any signs and looped back at 69th st. Could have been on us though.
Don't get me started on the absolute terrible design of the 69th st overpass. Holy hell that is a disaster.
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10-26-2020, 01:37 PM
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#3965
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Can you get onto Westhills way going west on stoney? We missed the turn because we didn't see any signs and looped back at 69th st. Could have been on us though.
Don't get me started on the absolute terrible design of the 69th st overpass. Holy hell that is a disaster.
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I believe the merge from SB Sarcee & WB Glenmore onto WB Stoney negates access to Westhills from N/W bound Stoney.
69th seems pretty bad right now. Things have improved with the lights working and they might get better yet once all the lanes are opened, but it still doesn't seem like the best design, despite the limitations.
Regardless of that, the light timing needs a massive overhaul - they're clearly calibrated to accommodate full traffic volumes from the west which won't be a factor until that portion of the road is open. We don't need equal light timing for EB traffic turning north onto 69th yet...
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10-26-2020, 01:39 PM
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#3966
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Originally Posted by you&me
I believe the merge from SB Sarcee & WB Glenmore onto WB Stoney negates access to Westhills from N/W bound Stoney.
69th seems pretty bad right now. Things have improved with the lights working and they might get better yet once all the lanes are opened, but it still doesn't seem like the best design, despite the limitations.
Regardless of that, the light timing needs a massive overhaul - they're clearly calibrated to accommodate full traffic volumes from the west which won't be a factor until that portion of the road is open. We don't need equal light timing for EB traffic turning north onto 69th yet...
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The fact there are 2 lights within 100 m heading south on 69th should in itself be a fireable offence.
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10-26-2020, 03:07 PM
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#3967
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Calgary
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So I took Southland all the way to 101 on the new Ring Road yesterday but I couldn't take 101 back to Southland.. Did I make an error or is that road just not open yet
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10-26-2020, 03:11 PM
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#3968
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: 12 > 13
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
As much of a cluster#### as it is over at the Sarcee to 37th section of EB Glenmore, where can the cops hide? The only way is to park their SUV in that painted no-go area in the middle of that 5-lane merge, and it will be a multi-car collision disaster waiting to happen...
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Drove this bit on the weekend (EB Glenmore to NB Sarcee on the way to Westhills). Light traffic but still a whole lot of not good. Buddy in front of me in the left lane was obeying the posted limit when it dropped to 60, and a few seconds later we were overtaken by people in the right lane doing the prior 80 and people behind me overtaking on the right and then immediately merging left again to get to Westhills as well.
I'm not an engineer, but nothing about the radius of that turn felt like it warranted a drop from 80, at all. At 60 it felt like crawling through the interchange. I wonder if the engineering standards that govern setting those speed limits tend to lag improvements in vehicle performance over the years? In any event that strip invites a big increase relative speed differences between vehicles which felt a lot less safe than making the turn itself.
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10-26-2020, 04:47 PM
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#3969
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Can you get onto Westhills way going west on stoney? We missed the turn because we didn't see any signs and looped back at 69th st. Could have been on us though.
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The short answer is NO. I tried to go NB Stoney/Tsuutina from Coscto, then continued on WB Stoney thinking I could exit to Westhills Way, but nope, there is no such exit. I could only get off at 69 st.
It means that if I want to go to the Westhills shopping area, I will need to exit to Sarcee and go through the whole Richmond Road intersection. Not sure why they don't make an exit to Westhills Way. Isn't that they build Westhills Way to eliminate the exact Sarcee/Richmond Road congestion?
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10-26-2020, 05:06 PM
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#3970
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
The short answer is NO. I tried to go NB Stoney/Tsuutina from Coscto, then continued on WB Stoney thinking I could exit to Westhills Way, but nope, there is no such exit. I could only get off at 69 st.
It means that if I want to go to the Westhills shopping area, I will need to exit to Sarcee and go through the whole Richmond Road intersection. Not sure why they don't make an exit to Westhills Way. Isn't that they build Westhills Way to eliminate the exact Sarcee/Richmond Road congestion?
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Yeah if you're going west on Glenmore you can get onto it but Tsuutina/Stoney doesn't merge with Glenmore until after the exit for Westhills Way.
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10-26-2020, 05:19 PM
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#3971
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Ok, rant here:
Had to use WB Stoney to SB Macleod exit fir the first time since construction. The permanent signage appears to be in place there, but MAKES NO MENTION of needing to exit there in order to turn southbound onto Macleod Trail. I’ve now driven it another time to confirm. Unacceptable.
So after I miss that exit, and have to go all the way to James Mackevitt to turn around, I come back East bound. They have a temporary exit to SB Macleod currently. Luckily I didn’t miss it, AS THERE IS NO SIGNAGE OF ANY KIND signalling tgat this is where to turn to get onto SB Macleod.
How do the people managing this still have jobs?
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I know that there was temporary signage set up that said to turn there to go southbound on McLeod, but I haven't noticed that on the sign TBH.
What gets me mad about that overheard sign is that at the top of it there are two arrows pointing right, and at the bottom of the sign it says 'must exit'. I assume that there are two lanes than can exit but there's only one open. I've seen so many drivers have to quickly get into the right lane next to the shoulder because they thought they can also exit from middle lane instead.
In between the Chapparal/Sundance and McLeod interchanges on WB Stoney they've moved lanes so often, and painted, repainted, and painted over old line markings, that when the sun is setting you can't tell what lane to be in because of all the reflections.
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10-26-2020, 06:25 PM
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#3972
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lazypucker
Not sure why they don't make an exit to Westhills Way.
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Wouldn't fit.
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
Isn't that they build Westhills Way to eliminate the exact Sarcee/Richmond Road congestion?
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It still largely accomplishes this, as the vast majority the traffic accessing it would be coming from WB Glenmore and not NB Stoney. More importantly, it is not required as Westhills Way can be accessed via Tsuut'ina Parkway (the previous exit) when it opens - but it's just a jurisdictional technicality that the Nation doesn't want this completed until there is corresponding development.
Not the fault of Alberta Transportation, they designed it correctly.
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Had to use WB Stoney to SB Macleod exit fir the first time since construction. The permanent signage appears to be in place there, but MAKES NO MENTION of needing to exit there in order to turn southbound onto Macleod Trail. I’ve now driven it another time to confirm. Unacceptable.
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It doesn't say north or south, it just says Macleod Trail, the implication being that the exit is for both directions. Once you exit, it then specifies the left lanes for Macleod Trail south/Lethbridge, or Macleod Trail north/City Centre to the right. That is how major junctions are signed everywhere else on both ring roads.
I am perhaps misunderstanding you.
Last edited by Acey; 10-26-2020 at 06:54 PM.
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10-26-2020, 06:33 PM
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#3973
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Weitz
The fact there are 2 lights within 100 m heading south on 69th should in itself be a fireable offence.
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I still don't get everyone's line of thinking here and why the engineers should be fired. What is a better solution than traffic lights here? This post is illogical without presentation of an alternative. Spoiler alert: traffic lights are the best solution, given the aforementioned constraint of being unable to construct a direct ramp from WB Glenmore/Stoney to NB 69 St due to the existence of Westhills Way. Even with the loop ramp to make the weave as long as possible the minimum weave distance there was waived. I'm not saying everything on the ring roads is designed 100% optimally but when something appears to be an absolutely blatant and cheap solution and isn't built that way, then it probably isn't a blatant and cheap solution...
Yeah, nobody is getting fired for what was undoubtedly an absurd number of man hours pouring over that to find the optimal design given the constraints.
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10-26-2020, 06:52 PM
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#3974
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Even with Westhills Way there seems to be plenty of room to have put a direct ramp from WB Glenmore to NB 69 St.
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10-26-2020, 06:57 PM
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#3975
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Ashartus
Even with Westhills Way there seems to be plenty of room to have put a direct ramp from WB Glenmore to NB 69 St.
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As per the standards there isn't at the 110 design speed... even with the loop it's already waived below the minimum.
We're just used to trash weaves on Deerfoot that are grandfathered. Whether or not a trash weave here is acceptable in the name of convenience is another discussion, I just don't like the implication that they chose not to build one out of incompetence.
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10-26-2020, 09:20 PM
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#3976
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Acey
As per the standards there isn't at the 110 design speed... even with the loop it's already waived below the minimum.
We're just used to trash weaves on Deerfoot that are grandfathered. Whether or not a trash weave here is acceptable in the name of convenience is another discussion, I just don't like the implication that they chose not to build one out of incompetence.
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Maybe not incompetence, but everyone I talk to who drives through it regularly thinks it is a complete mess.
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10-26-2020, 09:24 PM
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#3977
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Ok, rant here:
Had to use WB Stoney to SB Macleod exit fir the first time since construction. The permanent signage appears to be in place there, but MAKES NO MENTION of needing to exit there in order to turn southbound onto Macleod Trail. I’ve now driven it another time to confirm. Unacceptable.
So after I miss that exit, and have to go all the way to James Mackevitt to turn around, I come back East bound. They have a temporary exit to SB Macleod currently. Luckily I didn’t miss it, AS THERE IS NO SIGNAGE OF ANY KIND signalling tgat this is where to turn to get onto SB Macleod.
How do the people managing this still have jobs?
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It says Lethbridge on the sign as of about 6 pm today
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10-26-2020, 10:25 PM
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#3978
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by Acey
It doesn't say north or south, it just says Macleod Trail, the implication being that the exit is for both directions. Once you exit, it then specifies the left lanes for Macleod Trail south/Lethbridge, or Macleod Trail north/City Centre to the right. That is how major junctions are signed everywhere else on both ring roads.
I am perhaps misunderstanding you.
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The sign says northbound Macleod Trail - City Centre, as does the advance one on the side of the road.
It says nothing about southbound.
After the main turnoff from Stoney, there is a sign at the second lane split.
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10-26-2020, 10:27 PM
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#3979
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by GGG
It says Lethbridge on the sign as of about 6 pm today
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It says that on the sign at the second split, not at the sign from the main exit off of Stoney.
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10-26-2020, 11:30 PM
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#3980
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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The advance sign with "north" on it should be at or after the gore point, if it isn't that will get fixed in audit. I understand how it might be confusing, but it exists elsewhere. 3 km away, Eastbound Stoney SE at Deerfoot makes no advanced mention of "City Centre" until the second set of signs - the exact same formula. In this particular instance at Macleod/22X, they've chosen to include "City Centre" on the first gantry as most traffic exiting will be going north, but correctly followed the formula by not including "north" on it. Ultimately what determines the first gantry signs is the lane configuration after the gore point, and to that end they have done it correctly.
Of note is that the signage was all done by AB Trans and the general incompetence of detours and temporary signage by the road builders KGL is unrelated.
Red arrows pointing at the technically correct but potentially confusing sign:
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