There's always going to be a real difficulty in filming a prequel or even a sequel that involves a iconic character or actor that you have to replace.
Look at replacing Jodie Foster in the sequel to Silence of the Lambs, Julieanne Moore couldn't make it work because fans wanted Jodie Foster.
However it has been done before with Ford in the young Indiana Jones Chronicles with Sean Patrick Flannery who did a good job of being a young Jones.
Here's my concern with this film I guess. I'm worried that they're going to take away a key moment from ANH, in that Solo is a down on his luck cynical only care about the money moment, and doesn't have that heroic change until later in the film when he comes back.
If they make his intentionally heroic and caring in this film, it takes away from that moment in The original trilogy, where he walked through that door to not just being about the money and evolved from there.
I think that really Solo in this moment has to not give a crap about anything but the payday, and I believe that there has to be an opportunity at selfless heroism that he walks away from and doesn't come back to for it to work.
They need to build that hard jaded down on his luck space jerk.
I didn't think a sequel could retroactively make a movie worse, yet TLJ made TFA worse. Mickey's recklessness knows no bounds.
I too worry that this movie could make ANH look worse by adding stories that don't make sense.
There's always going to be a real difficulty in filming a prequel or even a sequel that involves a iconic character or actor that you have to replace.
Look at replacing Jodie Foster in the sequel to Silence of the Lambs, Julieanne Moore couldn't make it work because fans wanted Jodie Foster.
However it has been done before with Ford in the young Indiana Jones Chronicles with Sean Patrick Flannery who did a good job of being a young Jones.
Here's my concern with this film I guess. I'm worried that they're going to take away a key moment from ANH, in that Solo is a down on his luck cynical only care about the money moment, and doesn't have that heroic change until later in the film when he comes back.
If they make his intentionally heroic and caring in this film, it takes away from that moment in The original trilogy, where he walked through that door to not just being about the money and evolved from there.
I think that really Solo in this moment has to not give a crap about anything but the payday, and I believe that there has to be an opportunity at selfless heroism that he walks away from and doesn't come back to for it to work.
They need to build that hard jaded down on his luck space jerk.
1) Because she did a terrible job. It wasnt just because fans wanted Jodie Foster, they wanted someone who played a credible Clarice Starling and Moore was not it.
2) Not necessarily, they could play on the fact that hes a hard-case up until he cant be anymore and at the 11th hour will come in selflessly to the rescue. But still get paid.
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1) Because she did a terrible job. It wasnt just because fans wanted Jodie Foster, they wanted someone who played a credible Clarice Starling and Moore was not it.
And I guess if I was to stretch, that's what people are worried about here.
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2) Not necessarily, they could play on the fact that hes a hard-case up until he cant be anymore and at the 11th hour will come in selflessly to the rescue. But still get paid.
But don't you think it would be more effective for him not to come to the rescue? To take the money and run? Then the coming back in ANH in my mind would be a little more powerful.
But if you didn't want to go that far of having him abandon his crew in jeopardy.
You could lighten it up more. The enemy is defeated, the only thing that needs to happen is that Han comes to pick them up because he's got the ship and carrying the money, so the crew waits and waits, and then Lando kind of chuckles and says "He's not coming to get us", Then the last scene you see if Han staring at the chest of cash or whatever, looking over at Chewe who's giving him crap and saying "I know what I'm doing" then pulling the hyperspace levers.
I know its a little too Star Lord from the first Guardian where he screws over the Ravengers, but it works.
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hope this isn't fata, but someone redid cgi Leia's Rogue One appearance with a deepfake app. original is the top, deepfake is bottom:
considering the movie rendering probably cost hundreds of thousands or more, vs. like a few seconds on someone's janky laptop, I'm kind of floored. it really makes the nasty video game quality of the original apparent.
once this AI rendering stuff gets sufficiently polished, they won't need to hire Alden Ehrenreich and give him acting lessons for the next prequel. they'll just hire some nobody to wear the vest, and slap Ford's youthful visage on him as easily as a dollar store halloween mask.
hope this isn't fata, but someone redid cgi Leia's Rogue One appearance with a deepfake app. original is the top, deepfake is bottom:
considering the movie rendering probably cost hundreds of thousands or more, vs. like a few seconds on someone's janky laptop, I'm kind of floored. it really makes the nasty video game quality of the original apparent.
once this AI rendering stuff gets sufficiently polished, they won't need to hire Alden Ehrenreich and give him acting lessons for the next prequel. they'll just hire some nobody to wear the vest, and slap Ford's youthful visage on him as easily as a dollar store halloween mask.
That was actually one of George Lucas' dreams, they tried to do it in ROTS in the fight scene between Palpatine and Windu, as Ian isn't a really physical guy or a sword fighting guy. He did film some of the close up stuff, but a lot of the more physical stuff, I think they had Nick Gillard step in and put Ian's face on it.
While I was writing this a Robot Chicken Skit of the aftermath of the fight just came on and I have to put this quote here.
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"Oh, my God! I look like I have a scrotum for a face! What am I supposed to call myself? Darth Syphilis?! If you'd made up your mind five seconds earlier, we could've ruled the galaxy and maybe I could've gotten laid one more time before I die!"
―Lament by Palpatine in Robot Chicken: Star Wars Episode III[src]
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Here's my concern with this film I guess. I'm worried that they're going to take away a key moment from ANH, in that Solo is a down on his luck cynical only care about the money moment, and doesn't have that heroic change until later in the film when he comes back.
If they make his intentionally heroic and caring in this film, it takes away from that moment in The original trilogy, where he walked through that door to not just being about the money and evolved from there.
I think that really Solo in this moment has to not give a crap about anything but the payday, and I believe that there has to be an opportunity at selfless heroism that he walks away from and doesn't come back to for it to work.
They could portray Solo as young and idealistic and heroic and after some betrayal or incident at the end, turn into the cynical rogue
They could portray Solo as young and idealistic and heroic and after some betrayal or incident at the end, turn into the cynical rogue
Han Solo was about 30 in ANH? He looks like he is in his very learly 20s in this new movie?
So it takes place about halfway between ROTS and ANH?
By the time ANH starts up, it seems as though Han has been up to his shady shenanigans for quite a while. So the timeline from idealistic recruit to bitter rogue makes sense.
That was actually one of George Lucas' dreams, they tried to do it in ROTS in the fight scene between Palpatine and Windu, as Ian isn't a really physical guy or a sword fighting guy. He did film some of the close up stuff, but a lot of the more physical stuff, I think they had Nick Gillard step in and put Ian's face on it.
While I was writing this a Robot Chicken Skit of the aftermath of the fight just came on and I have to put this quote here.
They did tons of this stuff flawlessly in the Lord of the Rings. The old wizards had body doubles to basically do all the physical aspects of acting and Ian McKellan and Christopher Lee did the closeups and dialogue. It definitely wasn't Ian McKellan leading the charge when they marched on the Black Gate haha. He was probably in his trailer sipping champagne and eating hor d'oeuvres during filming.
Of course the hobbits had several body doubles because of the constraints with showing small people next to normal sized actors
Han Solo was about 30 in ANH? He looks like he is in his very learly 20s in this new movie?
So it takes place about halfway between ROTS and ANH?
By the time ANH starts up, it seems as though Han has been up to his shady shenanigans for quite a while. So the timeline from idealistic recruit to bitter rogue makes sense.
If we go by the actors' ages (which is never an exact science), Ford was 35 when Star Wars came out. Ehrenreich is 28.
Williams was 43 when Empire came out. Glover is 34.
Based on that, you'd think that Solo should be set less than 10 but more than 5 years before ANH.
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But now, an actor who worked on Solo has come forward with more details about Lord and Miller’s split from the franchise, highlighting just how tense things were on set before the duo left—and how calm things apparently became once Howard took the reins.
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The actor, who spoke to Vulture on condition of anonymity, said one of the issues with Lord and Miller’s directing style was their penchant for dozens of takes.
“Phil and Chris are good directors, but they weren’t prepared for Star Wars,” the source said. “After the 25th take, the actors are looking at each other like, ‘This is getting weird.’ [Lord and Miller] seemed a bit out of control. They definitely felt the pressure; with one of these movies, there are so many people on top of you all the time. The first assistant director was really experienced and had to step in to help them direct a lot of scenes.”
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The actor also reiterated past reports indicating that leading man Alden Ehrenreich struggled with mimicking Harrison Ford for the role and needed an acting coach. Once the coach was brought on, the change was evident. “You could see his acting became more relaxed,” the source said. “He became more Harrison-like. The coach helped!”
I think that clears up a little bit of the rumour that Alden was so bad he needed acting lessons. Sounds like he just struggled with his Ford impersonation.
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I think that clears up a little bit of the rumour that Alden was so bad he needed acting lessons. Sounds like he just struggled with his Ford impersonation.
Makes a degree of sense on both counts, from the Directors and Aldenreich.
You're stepping into big shoes.
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I really wish all that behind the scenes stuff never became public in the first place. it's going to make it tough to watch this movie and just be fully immersed in it, and not be on the alert for clues about when the directors got switched out, or how much one of Han's scenes is being influenced by the impersonation coach.
They took extra takes. Confusing to the actors, sure, but shouldn't affect the end product.
Harrison is a unique personality to imitate. Sounds like Ehrenrich got it down after the coaching and they probably would've re-shot any scenes that stuck out in an awkward way or was inconsistent with the rest. Howard won't pump out something like that.
I'm not too thrilled however that Disney has a "style" that they're trying to get their directors to align with/work within. I'm not a fan of the sort of humor being integrated and the awkward timing of it especially in episodes 7 and 8, it comes across forced and too evidently scripted for all-age appeasement, and think it's out of line with the essence and tone of the originals, which is really what they should be striving for. I'm still waiting for a film that doesn't just look like SW, but has the recognizable spirit of it as well. RO was the closest thing to it, but still wasn't "it". I don't expect this to be either since it was produced prior to the backlash and underperformance of TLJ, where Kennedy and co. probably finally clued in that they may need to make some adjustments. But the awesome all-star cast has me intrigued. Too much talent there for it to be a waste of time. Should be fun at the very least.
