10-24-2017, 06:46 PM
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First round-bust
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The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan
With the Flames presently losing 2-0 early to Nashville while playing rather poorly, I'd like to just take this opportunity to voice my opinion on Glen Gulutzan.
I think he's great.
He led the Flames to a 17-point improvement in his first season and they've started rather well again this year. While certain players have had issues with discipline, that's not reflective on Gulutzan's system as a whole, in my opinion.
The failures of Sam Bennett and Dougie Hamilton to stay out of the penalty box early on shouldn't distract you from the fact that Gulutzan has done a good job crafting an effective system, if a tad complex. His staff has formulated effective special-teams units employing players outside the obvious at times (Versteeg on the point on the PP, Brouwer on the PK) who work very well in their roles. He's developed a system that very favourably suits Mike Smith's puck-handling style, enabling the Flames to break out of their own zone very well.
I'm very satisfied with how Gulutzan is coaching this team, and I'd like to see him continue in his role.
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10-24-2017, 06:51 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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I disagree
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10-24-2017, 06:52 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Haha
The only thing Gulutzan has improved over Bob Hartley in 90+ games of being Flames coach is PKing, which doesn't even matter since we take 3X as many penalties under him. He is not a good head coach relative to the NHL. Doesn't matter what the score is tonight.
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Last edited by GranteedEV; 10-29-2017 at 01:51 PM.
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10-24-2017, 06:53 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Love
I disagree
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I agree.
With you, not him.
We had a 17pt improvement because we have an excellent GM. We have a lackadaisical team with no heart and lousy special team play due to poor coaching.
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10-24-2017, 06:54 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Thanked not just because I agree wholly, but also because you telling the score let me avoid sifting through what’s sure to be a suicide-box of a GDT to find it.
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...or you could just go to nhl.com.
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10-24-2017, 06:54 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
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Ok.
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10-24-2017, 06:54 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Edmonton,AB
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I don't see how a system can be effective if you can't score this is very concerning that teams know how to shut us down so easily
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10-24-2017, 06:54 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Thanked not just because I agree wholly, but also because you telling the score let me avoid sifting through what’s sure to be a suicide-box of a GDT to find it.
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There’s other ways to find out the score .....
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10-24-2017, 06:54 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Haha
The only thing Gulutzan has improved over Bob Hartley in 90+ games of being Flames coach is PKing, which doesn't even matter since we take 3X as many penalties under him. He is not a good coach. Doesn't matter what the score is tonight.
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That's hysterical. The Flames have greatly increased their possession figures and powerplay percentage since Hartley's last season, as well as their number of, you know, actual points.
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10-24-2017, 06:55 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Time to bring back Sutter imo
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10-24-2017, 06:56 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Maybe he's a good coach but I don't know if he's the right coach for this team. It appears to me this team needs a disciplinarian head coach to which Gulutzan is the exact opposite. I don't think a players coach is going to get the best out of this group.
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10-24-2017, 06:56 PM
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Look at out PP, it is useless. We cant enter the zone with it. Plus, I hate how he uses Johnny, I liked the Johnny playing how he likes to play with tons of breakaways, with GG i haven't seen it once (Take it I can not see all the games)
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10-24-2017, 06:56 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
Time to bring back Sutter imo
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I agree, this team would shine under Brent.
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10-24-2017, 06:57 PM
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Participant
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Originally Posted by Serapth
...or you could just go to nhl.com.
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I enjoy reading everyone’s comments when I can’t watch the game myself, it’s a poor substitute, but a little better than a context-less score. Unless we’re losing (and playing poorly)... then it’s painful.
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10-24-2017, 06:58 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapth
I agree.
With you, not him.
We had a 17pt improvement because we have an excellent GM. We have a lackadaisical team with no heart and lousy special team play due to poor coaching.
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I fail to see how Treliving had any super-substantial impact on improving the Flames' fortunes by 17 points entering 2016-17, considering how the only "major" acquisitions he made were Troy Brouwer, Kris Versteeg, Brian Elliott, and Chad Johnson.
Also, the Flames' special-teams were both top-10 last year.
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10-24-2017, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Maybe he's a good coach but I don't know if he's the right coach for this team. It appears to me this team needs a disciplinarian head coach to which Gulutzan is the exact opposite. I don't think a players coach is going to get the best out of this group.
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Who do you think would be best for us that is available or available soon?
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10-24-2017, 07:03 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Wyguy
Who do you think would be best for us that is available or available soon?
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I will consider that at the end of the season as it's far too early for coach firing talk and I don't think there's going to be a mid-season coaching change regardless of how bad things get.
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10-24-2017, 07:13 PM
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#19
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
Time to bring back Sutter imo
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I wonder how some of the better players on this team would perform under Darryl. I think he's a great coach but could those guys handle that heavy a coach?
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10-24-2017, 07:13 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
That's hysterical. The Flames have greatly increased their possession figures
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Have they?
Hartley's last year here, with Kris Russell (our worst possession player) and no Matthew Tkachuk (our best possession player) we were a 47.97% xGF% team.
Gulutzan's first year here, with Tkachuk (our best possession player) and no Kris Russell (our worst possession player) we were a 49.33% xGF% team.
So that's a shade over 1% improvement with a better, more complete roster and better goaltending.
Both are sub-50% teams in terms of expected goals over a full season. One guy had Matthew Tkachuk, the other guy had Kris Russell.
He's made us play a more responsible style with centers supporting down low, but don't confuse that with us playing "better" at 5-on-5. The only players to see significant gains in their possession numbers have really just been our worst players - guys like Matt Stajan or Deryk Engelland.
You look at Gaudreau and he had roughly the same possession numbers under Hartley (49.08% CF / 49.71% xGF%) he did under Gulutzan (50.21% CF / 49.96% xGF%) except he's been a turnover machine under Gulutzan because he has no green light to fly the zone and hit quickly. Gaudreau, Bennett, Brodie, and Giordano all stopped using their full skillsets under Gulutzan.
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and powerplay percentage since Hartley's last season,
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Hartley's last season we had the the 8th best PP over the final 50 games of the season after a slow start. I never thought Hartley's PP was broken, even if it was more of a traditional 2D 3F unit. Our 1st unit seems to actually score less goals under Gulutzan, with the major difference being a more talented 2nd unit with Matthew Tkachuk, who Hartley never had.
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as well as their number of, you know, actual points.
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Pretty sure Hartley's 97 point season was more points than we had last year.
I'm not even saying Hartley was a good coach. Just that he was a better coach than Glen Gulutzan.
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