Toronto would prefer a RHD, given they have a few decent LHD already and Babcock, like GG, like's his L/R pairings. A deal worked around Hamilton for Nylander would be more likely. But still not going to happen.
Toronto does Nylander for Hamilton all day every day but Treliving would never make that deal as it's poor value. Nylander is a nice player but a top 4 defenseman has more value and I'm not even sure Treliving would trade Brodie straight across for him seeing how he covets defensemen.
The more we talk about Hamilton, the more I'm still surprised that the Flames got him. It gives me hope that there's a chance to get Stone from the sens. He's an RFA and he hasn't been singed yet, when you have a player like that you have to get him signed ASAP. Maybe Stone isn't a good locker guy like Hamilton...
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Ottawa seems to be pretty much running people out of town. But the fact he's an RFA and isn't signed in January doesn't mean much of anything. Look at Gaudreau...
He has a peculiarly habit of aging every year. Unlike Bennett.
I refuse to acknowledge that I'm getting older, why should I not grant Dougie the same leeway?
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The more we talk about Hamilton, the more I'm still surprised that the Flames got him. It gives me hope that there's a chance to get Stone from the sens. He's an RFA and he hasn't been singed yet, when you have a player like that you have to get him signed ASAP. Maybe Stone isn't a good locker guy like Hamilton...
I'd throw down a lot to get Stone.
2019 1st round pick
2020 1st round pick
Oliver Kylington
...and then imagine this:
#26 - Mi. Stone
#61 - Ma. Stone
...that's how they'd handle that, right?
In all seriousness though, we've seen a lot of teams overpay on a yearly basis "trying to get over the top" where they overspend with draft picks and prospects on minor additions at the deadline. Let's forgo that process, pay a big price up front but get the RIGHT piece. The roster as a whole has been constructed, and is filled with young players who will be here long-term. That doesn't leave a lot of roster spots, especially at the top-end of the roster, for players to come in and make an impact. Our impact players are already here except for one very specific need - a goal scoring winger. Stone is 25, we could extend him long-term, and then our top 9 forwards are set, our top 4 d are set. We have plenty of depth on the blueline coming up, we have plenty of depth up front on the way for those bottom 3 spots, and our goaltending depth is (unpredictably) one of the best in the league.
Spend big today, and then battle and grow with the roster over the next handful of years.
Why stop there? Trade the 2021 and 2022 1st as well. Who needs 1st round picks and good prospects
We've got a young team with a very specific need. Sure, we could sit back and try and plug holes every year like we used to - or we could push the chips in. If in 4 years we have nothing to show for it, you take things back to the drawing board and start over, sell players off, recoup picks. It's better to be bold than to try and maintain mediocrity in what? The name of "anything can happen"?
And no, I'm not saying spend endlessly from the future for right now. I'm saying spend from the next 2 years in an attempt to win NOW. Give yourself a real shot at winning right now. If you do, a Stanley Cup is forever. If you don't - rebuilds can happen at a blistering speed now that teams are beginning to "figure it out".
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Am I the only one who thinks Mark Stone is a bit overrated here? Career best is 64pts / 26g and he's 25. Monahan is 23, similar size and playing style, and career best is 63pts / 31g. Sure he's the Sens best forward, but he's also one of those 6'3" guys who doesn't play very physical. Not saying I wouldn't love to have him on RW, but some of the assets going the other way are too steep IMO.
Am I the only one who thinks Mark Stone is a bit overrated here? Career best is 64pts / 26g and he's 25. Monahan is 23, similar size and playing style, and career best is 63pts / 31g. Sure he's the Sens best forward, but he's also one of those 6'3" guys who doesn't play very physical. Not saying I wouldn't love to have him on RW, but some of the assets going the other way are too steep IMO.
Nah Stone is a world class two way player. Only knock on acquiring him now is what his next contract will cost.
But honestly Kylington, and two firsts would be a steal for us if we signed him to a Johnny contract.
We draft our good players in the 4th round anyways
Ottawa would be silly to make him available (but they are run by a silly man)
No way I give up a package of just prospects and then multiple firsts to get Stone to pay him $7.5M per and have a hard time affording Tkachuk, Backlund etc.
I know Stone is the perfect fit. An elite RW that would be an amazing fit on the top 2 lines but the Sens are likely not moving him. If we are going to fantisize over Stone let’s go back to dreaming about Tavares as it is a similar likelihood we can get either
No way I give up a package of just prospects and then multiple firsts to get Stone to pay him $7.5M per and have a hard time affording Tkachuk, Backlund etc.
I know Stone is the perfect fit. An elite RW that would be an amazing fit on the top 2 lines but the Sens are likely not moving him. If we are going to fantisize over Stone let’s go back to dreaming about Tavares as it is a similar likelihood we can get either
Here's a projection based on an $82,000,000 Salary Cap in 2019/2020.
It does work. It's not that crazy. That line-up doesn't even factor in Andersson or Fox on cheaper deals, but yes - does require 1 of Rittich/Parsons/Gillies being a starting goalie.
Stone uses his reach better than pretty much any forward in the NHL, is that not playing like he's 6'3"?
Was specifically referring to his physicality, hence the "not very physical" part. Would kind of rather have a guy like Ferland on the top-line with Gaudreau, as Ferland will get in opposing player's faces and even drop the gloves if needed. Stone isn't really that type of player. Not that he's a bad player, just an element to his game is missing that I value more than most I guess. If he was as physical as his brother, I'd be sold.
