[News] Bob Hartley wins the Gagarin Cup (KHL)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hartley is well known as having bigger issues than just “hurting feelings”.

If he was a great coach he’d have had more than one NHL job since getting turned in Atlanta in 2007. Atlanta bought the “he won a cup” argument and he went nowhere. Then he went without a job for 3 years (compared to other guys who get jobs right away after being fired, if they want one). And he only got his Calgary job because of Feaster. And since 2016 he hasn’t had a real sniff at an NHL job (even the Montreal rumour was just BGL saying Bergeron visited him while scouting players in Russia). They don’t want him.

Who cares though? He just won a championship, was fun to have as a coach, gave us a fun year so... good for him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Who cares though? He just won a championship, was fun to have as a coach, gave us a fun year so... good for him.

Yes, good for him. Like I said, I was only commenting on a comment that suggested this somehow meant something about him being let go. It doesn’t.

However, “fun to have as a coach”? No. He was two-faced.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, good for him. Like I said, I was only commenting on a comment that suggested this somehow meant something about him being let go. It doesn’t.

However, “fun to have as a coach”? No. He was two-faced.

Two Faced or not- The only Atlanta Thrasher coach to make the playoffs & the only Flames coach to win a round in 15 years.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

However, “fun to have as a coach”? No. He was two-faced.

So two-faced Ilya Kovalchuk decided to reunite with him help him win the Gagarin Cup

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

So two-faced Ilya Kovalchuk decided to reunite with him help him win the Gagarin Cup

Whatever. I hear plenty of player love Mike Babcock too. Just ask him.

I know this - there would be no contract issues with Gaudreau if he’d have stuck around.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I know this - there would be no contract issues with Gaudreau if he’d have stuck around.

You do not know that.

And we had contract issues with Gaudreau well past Hartley's firing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You do not know that.

And we had contract issues with Gaudreau well past Hartley's firing.

I do know that.

The contract issues that Treliving had were money and term. That wasn’t going to be the issue in the alternative.

ETA:

Hartley is the only coach I know of ever to be included in a NTC.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I do know that.

The contract issues that Treliving had were money and term. That wasn’t going to be the issue in the alternative.

Support your claim with evidence. Because even if you purport to have a source, I highly doubt the credibility of their knowledge unless their name is Brad Treliving, Brad Pascall, Craig Conroy, Brian Burke, Lewis Gross, or John Gaudreau.

To say you KNOW this as a fact, your source pretty much has to be one of these people.

ETA:

Hartley is the only coach I know of ever to be included in a NTC.

Yeah.

Some players didn't like him. Especially the useless ones of the McGrattan ilk.

And other players loved him.

Just like every coach ever.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Haha, Johnny was going to get it written in to his contract that he didn’t have to be a voluntary guest counsellor at Bob’s hockey camp?


Lol. #### off with this stuff

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, you’re right, there’s another thread for people Treliving let go finding success elsewhere haha

Maybe the Flames should hire back Terry Crisp. He won a cup here.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Haha, Johnny was going to get it written in to his contract that he didn’t have to be a voluntary guest counsellor at Bob’s hockey camp?


Lol. #### off with this stuff

Legit... if something this makes Hartley Two-Faced, what does it make Gaudreau? Harvey Dent?

How unreasonable does this player sound:

"I, the player people weren't even sure would make the NHL, refuse to entertain contract talks as a restricted free agent until you fire the guy who played me big minutes in every situation and on the top powerplay for the last year to the point of a point-per-game production in my contract year"

[Calgary4LIfe]

So, I don't get it.


People are so adamant that Hartley is a crap coach... but he wins championships in every league he coaches in. What gives?


As for his personality as a coach, yeah, he probably should have worked on that a bit and rounded some of his corners a bit. However, Gaudreau? The young guys liked him, including Gaudreau who went to his camp. Some of the vets - especially the ones near the end of their careers who felt that they should be playing more - disliked him the most. Yeah, he was probably way too abrasive at times, which is why he needs to learn to soften a bit. If he does, that's a perfect coach IMO.


People like to say that the Flames were 'unsustainable' - but for about 2 season's worth, they were very sustainable, even though they had a crap roster. Those underlying metrics really pointed at them being a crap team more than a crap system. I would have loved to see what Hartley could do with the Flames over the last 2-3 years. I bet you Bennett would have thrived. This team would have been hard working since even his practices were high-tempo at full game speed, and he preached (and demanded) that guys get in tip-top shape in the off-season.


Hartley is a world-class coach who has now won a championship in every league he has ever coached in. I wonder where he will go next once he is done with Omsk.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ I wonder if it’s another denial thing.

As lousy as this team can do, almost everybody that leaves is vehemently justified

There might be a lot of bad breaker-uppers on CP lol.

[kukkudo]

Gio4pm comes into this thread cause he hates Hartley so much that one comment triggers him. Who cares Hartley at the end of the day is a successful hockey coach and nobody can take that away from him.



Good for Hartley though.

[GioforPM]

My source does not want to be named. But I have one. And Johnny volunteering for a week long gig means little. I know what I know. You want not say I’m lying, fine.

Hartley will never coach in the NHL again. Good for him for finding someplace to do it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And Johnny volunteering for a week long gig means little.

It means he's a two-faced jerk, getting a guy fired and then showing up to his event like nothing happened.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It means he's a two-faced jerk, getting a guy fired and then showing up to his event like nothing happened.

Ooh, don’t forget that it means Treliving handed his two year players the keys on personnel decisions, and threw the prospect of ever having a culture of accountability into the dumpster

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Ooh, don’t forget that it means Treliving handed his two year players the keys on personnel decisions, and threw the prospect of ever having a culture of accountability into the dumpster

Yeah, that would be a huge red flag and any GM worth a damn would be looking to move the player while his value was at its peak.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It means he's a two-faced jerk, getting a guy fired and then showing up to his event like nothing happened.

Maybe he felt badly that Bob was out of work and threw him a bone, I dunno. Anyway, Gaudreau didn’t “get Hartley fired”. He (and a bunch of other players) definitely gave an opinion to Treliving on exit interviews. But I also know what Gaudreau’s view of his contract would have been if he had been looking at multiple years of Bob. Like I said, the only coach named in no trade clauses. There’s a reason.

Anyway, good for Bob for winning in Omsk. I’m not going further with what I’ve learned.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Ooh, don’t forget that it means Treliving handed his two year players the keys on personnel decisions, and threw the prospect of ever having a culture of accountability into the dumpster

No, we’ve been through that. It doesn’t mean that at all.