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View Poll Results: Best guess for Tkachuk's contract result
8 @ 7M 10 1.61%
8 @ 8M 41 6.59%
8 @ 9M 21 3.38%
8 @ 10M 8 1.29%
7 @ 7M 21 3.38%
7 @ 8M 61 9.81%
7 @ 9M 19 3.05%
7 @ 10M 3 0.48%
6 @ 6M 4 0.64%
6 @ 7M 48 7.72%
6 @ 8M 126 20.26%
6 @ 9M 27 4.34%
5 @ 6M 3 0.48%
5 @ 7M 56 9.00%
5 @ 8M 66 10.61%
5 @ 9M 10 1.61%
4 @ 5M 1 0.16%
4 @ 6M 4 0.64%
4 @ 7M 19 3.05%
3 @ 4M 2 0.32%
3 @ 5M 4 0.64%
3 @ 6M 46 7.40%
2 @ 4M 3 0.48%
2 @ 5M 15 2.41%
1 @ 4M 1 0.16%
1 @ 5M 3 0.48%
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Old 09-24-2019, 06:00 PM   #1981
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Well that hardly answers my question. I think it’s unlikely that anyone offer sheets Tkachuk but Colorado is the team that I think he would be ok playing for and they have some semblance of cap room.

Could they clear enough room to sign Rantanen and Tkachuk to nearly identical long term deals?
They would need to reacquire their 2nd and 3rd round picks, or else the offer sheet caphit would need to exceed $10,568,590 and be 4 1sts instead.
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Well that hardly answers my question. I think itís unlikely that anyone offer sheets Tkachuk but Colorado is the team that I think he would be ok playing for and they have some semblance of cap room.

Could they clear enough room to sign Rantanen and Tkachuk to nearly identical long term deals?

As for Sakic being ďold schoolĒ and not behaving like Dubas, thatís not really on point. Dubas hasnít signed any offer sheets and frankly isnít relevant to this discussion. I donít know Sakic well enough to say whether heíd do it. Other than in general, I think offer sheets are a long shot.

Itís perfectly well on point. He is not going outside of market values in his position in Rantanen which is opposite from Dubas.

We do agree that an offer sheet is a long shot.

I personally think it is absurd to see it coming from Colorado and will be pleased to admit I was wrong if it happens
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I can't envision a trade the Flames would necessarily win.

I just don't think people are effectively weighing the contributions from this guy in both tangible offense and every other intangible quality you want from a guy who drags his teammates into games they aren't otherwise emotionally invested in.

If he played 20 minutes a night with top line linemates he'd be a 100 point player. His goal scoring qualities are legit, and it's the hardest thing to do in the league.
I think that is extremely presumptuous. There were six 100-point players in the NHL last year, and Calgary's own top offensive player fell just short with 99 points. I expect Tkachuk does better with more minutes and consistent top-line deployment, but the difference between 85 points and 100 is vast. He already plays on the top powerplay, so he won't get a boost in production there. Even if he somehow managed to equal Gaudreau's 72 ESPts (which I think is extremely doubtful), that would only get him to 96.

Tkachuk is a terrific player, but you have a regular tendency of significantly over-rating him. I expect that if you swapped him with Rantanen the result would be about the same.
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Columbus would probably have to offer him more than Ottawa. With all the pieces they have lost, Columbus is clearly a team on a downward trend. At least Tkachuk's brother is in Ottawa.
Unfortunately, so is Eugene Melnyk.
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St Louis and Columbus arenít too far apart, and Columbus having made the playoffs and lost a key piece, may be looking for someone notable to replace Panarin

The brother connection in Ottawa is the nicest story, and of the other teams, Columbus is the only other obvious reasonable candidate
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St Louis and Columbus arenít too far apart, and Columbus having made the playoffs and lost a key piece, may be looking for someone notable to replace Panarin

The brother connection in Ottawa is the nicest story, and of the other teams, Columbus is the only other obvious reasonable candidate
The only way CBJ could offer sheet Tkachuk is to give him a max offer +$10.6 m. They don't have the picks to do anything less than that. As good a player as Tkachuk is, I don't see any team willing to pay him like that.
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The only way CBJ could offer sheet Tkachuk is to give him a max offer +$10.6 m. They don't have the picks to do anything less than that. As good a player as Tkachuk is, I don't see any team willing to pay him like that.
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The only way CBJ could offer sheet Tkachuk is to give him a max offer +$10.6 m. They don't have the picks to do anything less than that. As good a player as Tkachuk is, I don't see any team willing to pay him like that.
Remember that the compensation for any 6 or 7 year offer sheet is based on the total value of the contract divided by 5 years. That means on a 7 year deal, any cap hit over $7.55 million would reach the maximum compensation level. On a 6 year deal, it would be anything over $8.81 million.
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Remember that the compensation for any 6 or 7 year offer sheet is based on the total value of the contract divided by 5 years. That means on a 7 year deal, any cap hit over $7.55 million would reach the maximum compensation level. On a 6 year deal, it would be anything over $8.81 million.
Right, but then the team must also convince the player that he wants to play in CBJ for +5 years. Sure, it's possible, but I really don't see it as likely that Tkachuk signs to play there unless they make an offer that is far in excess of what the Flames are negotiating. I suspect any offer would have to be +10 m on a five-year term.
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I think that is extremely presumptuous. There were six 100-point players in the NHL last year, and Calgary's own top offensive player fell just short with 99 points. I expect Tkachuk does better with more minutes and consistent top-line deployment, but the difference between 85 points and 100 is vast. He already plays on the top powerplay, so he won't get a boost in production there. Even if he somehow managed to equal Gaudreau's 72 ESPts (which I think is extremely doubtful), that would only get him to 96.

Tkachuk is a terrific player, but you have a regular tendency of significantly over-rating him. I expect that if you swapped him with Rantanen the result would be about the same.
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Probably the best case scenario is sending Czarnik and Kylington down and going with a short roster. This leaves 8.147M for Tkachuk, which would bring the roster to 22. After the season starts, you can bring someone up on minimum salary to sit the pine on Valimaki's LTIR and fill out the roster.
this is what I don't like personally I wouldn't be comfortable know I'm sending down 2 team mates who belong up because I want their money . we're talking millions that chucky will get so what's a couple less for the team success and team mates
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I think they match 8.4. They may match then trade him, but they match.


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If its 4 years I would hope the Flames play him for at least 2 of those 4 years.

I find it weird that he can't be traded though. That sounds like punishing a team for protecting one of their assets.
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If its 4 years I would hope the Flames play him for at least 2 of those 4 years.

I find it weird that he can't be traded though. That sounds like punishing a team for protecting one of their assets.
Thatís one way of putting it, but another is to see that it protects players from teams attempting to circumvent offersheets.

In any event, I donít think the Flames would have any interest in trading Tkachuk after he is under contract. If they matched a potential offer sheet, they wouldnít trade him even if they could.


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Thatís one way of putting it, but another is to see that it protects players from teams attempting to circumvent offersheets.

In any event, I donít think the Flames would have any interest in trading Tkachuk after he is under contract. If they matched a potential offer sheet, they wouldnít trade him even if they could.


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Hmmmmm ya that's good reasoning.
I just hope we can put this all to bed and just get him signed. Guy is one of my favorite players and I want him here longterm.
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Take it for what it is worth...

Talk to source within the Flames, his comment was

"Tre is confident in signing Tkachuk and having him in the lineup for opening night....the deal will be structured along the lines of the Braydon Point deal..."
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So like, 6.75 AAV?

Who would've guessed.
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