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Old 06-12-2019, 02:57 PM   #2901
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Some rare positive news coming out of Ottawa. Need more of that. It's refreshing.


More perks for Government workers? They only work like half the year, but they deserve more?

What am I missing here?
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:00 PM   #2902
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Yes lets continue to to put government workers in a completely different class than most of the private sector. Divide and conquer Libtards.
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Good.
it's crap that they receive full pay, though.

my wife sure as hell didn't get full pay on her mat leave. why should an MP?
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They are still working though, so comparing it to non-working leave is completely ridiculous. And if they aren't meeting their responsibilities, as judged by their constituency, they can be voted out. So not at all the same as your wife who had her job protected despite (hopefully) not having to deal with it at all for a year (or 18 months).
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The average Canadian has no idea if their MP does their job or not.
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More perks for Government workers? They only work like half the year, but they deserve more?

What am I missing here?
As someone that complains that the best and brightest have little incentive to get into politics I don't have any issue with this. I realize there are already plenty of benefits to being a politician but I feel stuff like this can't hurt if we ever want to get smarter people into politics. Justin is easy to pick on for his deficiencies but it's not like he's the only person in the house of commons that's inept enough to run a prime location Tim Hortons franchise into the ground.

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Old 06-12-2019, 03:10 PM   #2907
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They are still working though, so comparing it to non-working leave is completely ridiculous. And if they aren't meeting their responsibilities, as judged by their constituency, they can be voted out. So not at all the same as your wife who had her job protected despite (hopefully) not having to deal with it at all for a year (or 18 months).
First of all, at full 100% they work about half as much as normal employees and experience significantly more time off and benefits.

But they deserve more?
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They are still working though, so comparing it to non-working leave is completely ridiculous. And if they aren't meeting their responsibilities, as judged by their constituency, they can be voted out. So not at all the same as your wife who had her job protected despite (hopefully) not having to deal with it at all for a year (or 18 months).
but they are not doing their full job. only part of it. I still don't think it justifies full pay.

as an aside, I'd love to know what an MP does "in their constituency"
go to a few meetings and parties, and answer some e-mail?

I'm glad they get leave but only disagree with full pay.
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First of all, at full 100% they work about half as much as normal employees and experience significantly more time off and benefits.

But they deserve more?
Then run for it. Give it 55% effort and you're obviously a shoe-in.

If you're concerned about the one MP to date who's had a baby not having to go to chambers for a year, if they choose to take that much time off and risk getting not-elected but people like you, I feel like you got too much time on your hand.

If it allows more women to join caucus because they are no longer having to decide between politics and family, while still meeting their responsibilities as judged by the voters, seems like a complete win to me.
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While MPs should be able to get some kind of parental leave, it's crap that they don't pay into a system AND get full benefits. My wife and I payed into the system for years, and not only did we get only a portion of it back, the system also did it's damnedest to claw back what it could.
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First of all, at full 100% they work about half as much as normal employees and experience significantly more time off and benefits.
Is that true though?
My understanding is that a (normal) MP puts in a huge amount of hours outside of house sittings. No doubt there are some that are lazy but I don't think it's the majority. They get ridiculous benefits but then so do all government employees.
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Some rare positive news coming out of Ottawa. Need more of that. It's refreshing.
So what happens to your elected representation during that year? If we believe in this whole Democracy thing, isn't attending Parliament a pretty big deal?
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First of all, at full 100% they work about half as much as normal employees and experience significantly more time off and benefits.

But they deserve more?
What a ridiculous claim
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So what happens to your elected representation during that year? If we believe in this whole Democracy thing, isn't attending Parliament a pretty big deal?

I think that if you're in cabinet for example or even a parlimentary secretary you would almost have to resign your role as first of all your in cabinet and you have to be able to answer questions in the house and vote.


If you're a backbencher your party would almost have to accept one fewer vote, because I don't think that giving proxy votes in your absence would be a good idea.


What we really need is holographic projectors, which would mean that MP's wouldn't have to travel to Ottawa which would save us a tone of travel dollars, it would be good for the environment
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More perks for Government workers? They only work like half the year, but they deserve more?

What am I missing here?
I think more people that can get benefits like this, the better. Government employees or not. I'm a big fan of parents spending as much time as they can with newborns. So yes, I think it is indeed good news.
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So they're going to push it through the house before the election and probably try to jam it through the senate. In other words, we're f'd if the Libs win the election. I'm really interested in seeing what happens with TMX next week


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Old 06-12-2019, 06:11 PM   #2919
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Unfortunately, you can’t both encourage good people to go into government and have positions that don’t out-benefit private positions.

A few of the complainers here ought to ask themselves: Would I want to be in government if they lagged behind the private sector or even just kept pace? Would I even want to be in government now?

I can only answer for myself, and the answer is no. But if the benefits and pay are sooooo good, get off your asses and run. I’m personally fine with them adding benefits to push competitiveness. It’s still certainly not enough for me to give up my private sector job.
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More perks for Government workers? They only work like half the year, but they deserve more?
You know, I realize we're talking about MPs here, but as an employee of the federal government, I'm getting tired of this label and hearing constantly about how lazy and entitled I am. It's particularly bad here. There's no doubt that the bureaucracy is bloated, but it's frustrating being painted with the same brush.

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