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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade 59 11.73%
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better 165 32.80%
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project 167 33.20%
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back 85 16.90%
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton 27 5.37%
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:49 PM   #81
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Maybe we should all be grateful that Bennett/Puljuarvi weren't also part of this?

I'm bad at feel good stuff.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:49 PM   #82
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I am okau with this. I think Lucic has a better chance of bouncing back and actually helping the team. As long as the NMC is removed.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:49 PM   #83
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Neal for sure is hitting the 20 goal mark again next season
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:49 PM   #84
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Neal will probably explode with McDavid
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Neal for sure is hitting the 20 goal mark again next season
Thats the #### part. Neal will prob have a 45-55 pt season
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:50 PM   #86
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Neal will probably explode with McDavid
He won't be able to keep up with him.
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would have rather just buyout Neal and take the long term hit


Could have signed Ferland. Jesus why didn’t they just do that
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:50 PM   #88
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James Neal was a healthy scratch at 5.75M to end the season. When it came down to the most important game, the coaches thought it was best to keep Neal off the ice. And, given his play, they were almost certainly right.

If Lucic comes in at under 5.75M cap hit, even if he is a healthy scratch, it's no loss. They both suck.

However, Lucic is also considerably cheaper as is, forget about salary retention. In terms of actual cost he is owed 16M compared to Neal's 23M. So 7M in actual savings for the Flames (pre-retention).

And then a conditional pick.

I'll take it as a win. Neal could bounce back, but given how absolutely terrible he was last year, I'd rather just not risk it.
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An Oilers second round pick is basically a 1st.
It would be nice to pick 31st and 32nd.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:51 PM   #90
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Rumour yesterday was only 10% retention. Makes him cheaper than Neal, but not by much.
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James Neal was a healthy scratch at 5.75M to end the season. When it came down to the most important game, the coaches thought it was best to keep Neal off the ice. And, given his play, they were almost certainly right.

If Lucic comes in at under 5.75M cap hit, even if he is a healthy scratch, it's no loss. They both suck.

However, Lucic is also considerably cheaper as is, forget about salary retention. In terms of actual cost he is owed 16M compared to Neal's 23M. So 7M in actual savings for the Flames (pre-retention).

And then a conditional pick.

I'll take it as a win. Neal could bounce back, but given how absolutely terrible he was last year, I'd rather just not risk it.
Who cares about actual cost it isn't my money, all that matters is cap hit.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:51 PM   #92
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The trade is a wash in terms of foot speed.

I feel sick.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:51 PM   #93
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Just following up on @GenePrincipe and @RealKyper — only Lucic/Neal involved with EDM retaining some money and including a conditional draft pick.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:51 PM   #94
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Being able to expose Lucic in the expansion draft to a team who might want an experienced player for a couple years might help the Flames.

Otherwise we'd have to get up one of our young defensemen.
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Months ago when I said people would be pissed about a trade that almost happened involving two disappointing vets from a divisional rival... this was it.
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Here's my "try to make this palatable" take:

a. No NMC plus less salary might make Lucic tradable - more than Neal at this point.
b. The NMC also makes Lucic buriable going forward. So maybe this is a pure cap space issue. Maybe makes Tkahcuk an easier signing.
c. It does address toughness I guess.
d. I got nothing else.
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How much money retained? What pick?

Ugh not a fan at all right now
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WOW lol

so the 'sweetener' is a conditional pick?
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:52 PM   #99
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"If neal hits 20 goals or the oilers make the playoffs" is the pick condition I bet.
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I am okau with this. I think Lucic has a better chance of bouncing back and actually helping the team. As long as the NMC is removed.
lol. Milan Lucic is not an NHL calibre player. Literally the only reasons he's still in the league are his contract and the fact that the Oilers don't even have 12 NHL calibre forwards.

It's mind boggling if we think Lucic is going to add anything of value here.
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