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Old 10-08-2019, 07:27 PM   #21
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Daryl Morey has the freedom to say whatever he wants and China has the freedom to retaliate by cutting off their business done in China if they felt like what he said was inappropriate. I don't see the problem? There is no attack on the institution of "freedom of speech". China is not coercing the American government to do anything to their first amendment of the constitution, so I don't understand why freedom of speech is being talked about so much.
Freedom to of expression as a democratic concept is more than just the American government enforcing the American constitution.

If you believe in universal democratic rights then a government (not individuals or companies) using financial coercion in order to stifle views should not be palletable.

In theory this is where the US government should be demanding that US citizens should be able to freely speak without the Chinese government sanctioning the company they work for.
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Freedom to of expression as a democratic concept is more than just the American government enforcing the American constitution.

If you believe in universal democratic rights then a government (not individuals or companies) using financial coercion in order to stifle views should not be palletable.

In theory this is where the US government should be demanding that US citizens should be able to freely speak without the Chinese government sanctioning the company they work for.

The United States is not the boss of the world. They can make any demand they want of the Chinese government, but the Chinese government is not obligated to acquiesce simply because the United States demanded that they do something. Will there be consequences for not complying? Of course. But that's not to say that the United States government has carte blanche to make demands that other nations should behave how they want them to.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:38 PM   #23
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The United States is not the boss of the world. They can make any demand they want of the Chinese government, but the Chinese government is not obligated to acquiesce simply because the United States demanded that they do something. Will there be consequences for not complying? Of course. But that's not to say that the United States government has carte blanche to make demands that other nations should behave how they want them to.
And???

Itís still an attack on the institution of free speech. Itís certainly a freedom of speech issue.
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You stated that "Freedom to of expression as a democratic concept is more than just the American government enforcing the American constitution."


It unequivocally is not. Free speech does not mean you are free not to face the consequences of what you say.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:53 PM   #25
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Do we really need to debate if there is a an issue with "Free Speech" in China?
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So can this



It’s not even up for debate. China is a black hole for freedom.
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Okay perhaps I wasnít clear enough. China has done nothing to impede on the constitutional right of Daryl Morey to express his freedom of speech. There, better?
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No one said they did. It’s the NBA and Houston Rockets who are scumbags for bowing to the pressure from China. Same with Blizzard.

Not even just the franchise. Loser James Harden is defending them. What a POS.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:23 PM   #29
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Okay perhaps I wasnít clear enough. China has done nothing to impede on the constitutional right of Daryl Morey to express his freedom of speech. There, better?
You do know the entity complaining about "freedom of speech" is CCTV, the Chinese state run network. Right?

Silver's latest position was "we support Morley expressing his views and accept the consequences" and CCTV cried "Freedom of speech doesn't extend to national sovereignty."
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Do we really need to debate if there is a an issue with "Free Speech" in China?
What is the significance of the cards? I get AK47 but not sure why this is a Free Speech issue?
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What is the significance of the cards? I get AK47 but not sure why this is a Free Speech issue?
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June 4, 1989. Tiananmen Square massacre.
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The Tiananmen Square events occurred on June 4, 1989.
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You stated that "Freedom to of expression as a democratic concept is more than just the American government enforcing the American constitution."


It unequivocally is not. Free speech does not mean you are free not to face the consequences of what you say.
Then you donít believe in freedom speech.

The entire concept of freedom of speech is that any government canít interfere with your freedom to express yourself. Itís a fundamental priciple of democracy.
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Then you donít believe in freedom speech.

The entire concept of freedom of speech is that any government canít interfere with your freedom to express yourself. Itís a fundamental priciple of democracy.
Not any government. Just the government of which you are a citizen of. If you extend that imposition to foreign government, what you are actually practicing is imperialism since you are forcing foreign governments to adopt your belief system.
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Not any government. Just the government of which you are a citizen of. If you extend that imposition to foreign government, what you are actually practicing is imperialism since you are forcing foreign governments to adopt your belief system.
You donít believe in freedom of speech as a fundamental human right. Thatís fine. But donít represent that what China is doing as anything but trying to stifle free speech.
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Not any government. Just the government of which you are a citizen of. If you extend that imposition to foreign government, what you are actually practicing is imperialism since you are forcing foreign governments to adopt your belief system.
China is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 19 of which guarantees freedom of opinion and expression. They are also a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Poltical Rights; Article 19 of this also guarantees freedom of expression.

Freedom of Speech is also enshrined in the Constituion of Communist China.

This is not imperialism.

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China is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 19 of which guarantees freedom of opinion and expression. They are also a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Poltical Rights; Article 19 of this also guarantees freedom of expression.

Freedom of Speech is also enshrined in the Constituion of Communist China.

This is not imperialism.

You dummy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...ights#Adoption


I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the Republic of China is not the same thing as the People's Republic of China.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...o_the_Covenant


China is listed as being not ratified. Therefore they are not legally bound.




Also, the constitution of China applies to Chinese citizens. Not foreign agents.


Ironic that you call me a dummy when you are completely uninformed on the issues yourself.


Also, wasn't it just 15 years ago that the United States unilaterally went to war with Iraq, leading to a conservative estimate of half a million Iraqi citizen deaths? This action was taken despite condemnation from the UN. I think people around the world are just sick and tired of the western world lecturing them on human rights issues when western countries have committed the majority and most brutal human rights violations in the last century.

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Old 10-09-2019, 07:20 AM   #40
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Yeah if the US government doesn't like something that somebody says, their president just holistically starts a public smear campaign against them on Twitter. Somehow this is not in contravention to free speech.

Also I would be curious to know if freedom of speech is more valued than unfettered capitalism.
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