if Control is the progenitor of the Borg, it's doing a pretty terrible job of that. it nukes every sentient being in the galaxy into oblivion...that's sort of makes the whole growing a species via assimilation thing kind of tough.
not every instance of nanobots taking over a person/system is Borg related. I recall at least one TNG episode where the Enterprise got sick with a nanite infection. seems to be a pretty common path for technological miniaturization.
as for Leland, him getting freaking eyeball stabbed while trying to do the power authorization is going to haunt me every time I visit the optometrist. I'm not sure he should have even survived that at all.
I just didn't get that scene at all. There's neither logic nor trope that allows me to process why they went with a needle poke in the eye.
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I just didn't get that scene at all. There's neither logic nor trope that allows me to process why they went with a needle poke in the eye.
Control has reached the next level of evolution into being a huge a-hole? this being morally gray Section 31 and all, maybe the retinal scanner was equipped with an eye stabber for instances where a bad/unauthorized guy was trying to gain access?
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Control has reached the next level of evolution into being a huge a-hole? this being morally gray Section 31 and all, maybe the retinal scanner was equipped with an eye stabber for instances where a bad/unauthorized guy was trying to gain access?
The 3 Stooges were ahead of their time regarding security protocols.
Nyuk nyuk.
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Control has reached the next level of evolution into being a huge a-hole? this being morally gray Section 31 and all, maybe the retinal scanner was equipped with an eye stabber for instances where a bad/unauthorized guy was trying to gain access?
And what was the whole point of that at all when it can just become a nanobot octopus on its own and just infect entire fleets of ships without having to be injected into anyone.
Then they just fricking leave the monster stuck to the floor without actually doing anything about it.
Now I'm going to say this. Just because you can as a writer shouldn't mean that you shouldn't. When you get overly reliant on things like time travel and telepathy you tend to eventually frustrate fans because as a writer you become addicted to being able to fix things in ludicrous ways.
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Some of those ridiculous creative choices that you're frustrated with are probably going to change since it's rumored Discovery isn't doing too well and there will be a very good chance of a CBS/Paramount merger.
A lot of the problems with writing and the weird tonal shifts/incoherent storyline/pacing shifts/retconning, and shoehorning of new stuff into canon Trek since 2009 are because of a forced contractual property rights problem caused by former CBS CEO Les Moonves (of "Friends" and #MeToo sexual harassment fame) forcing writers into ludicrous logical and stylistic acrobatics just to be different.
More about that here from a video Hack&Lube sent me. A bit long but super insightful.
I really liked how they tied in the future of Pike and his choices. Such a shame he is only for one season.
As for Control and an AI turning into what was that - a Nanobot snake? Perfect human interaction skills and can take over a complete fleet yet Discovery is somehow immune for the time being - meh. Leland already being on Discovery and being re-programmed, again meh. Poor writing.
Don't disagree, I did like it. They've upped their game over the last 2 or 3 episodes by putting in a actual physical enemy and by simplifying things and focuses on one or two story lines.
And yes I did cheer at the vision of the future where
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Michael got shot in the face
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I have to say that honestly, that last episode is one of the finest Star Trek episodes I have ever seen, this whole season has really turned me into a big fan of this series.
Still, a lot of room for improvement but for now I am very happy.
The second half of this season has been consistently good, which also coincides with when they brought on Michelle Paradise as a writer/co-showrunner to replace the other two losers fired for bullying staff. She's been announced as the showrunner for season 3, so, good signs!
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Holy fracking sand i just read that Pike's Number One was played by Rebecca Romijn, and i can't believe i didn't catch that. i was thinking the other day while watching 'hmm, we saw her earlier in the season didn't we?' and..yeah, i got nothing
Well that's season two, the show improved quite a bit over the last few episodes under a new creative direction. Saying that
I wasn't really crazy about the finale
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They fell back into the trap of having two many things happening at the same time and too many big speeches and expositions that just felt really ill placed.
I wasn't really crazy about the way they filmed the battle scenes, It just felt like it was made by somebody on a comodore 64, you look at the battle scenes in shows like DS 9 and the battles were actually enjoyable, I got a headache watching this one.
The ending just seemed like this massive fan service to the Enterprise, though this is the last we've seen of them, I was expecting some kind of cliff hanger ending with the discovery 950 years in the future
They did a good job of explaining why Burnham and the Discovery and the spore drive were not part of future Canon and did a good job of that.
Really, that Klingon makeup is just terrible, it still drives me crazy.
I wish they would have had more Leland, the actor plays menace very well.
Anson Mount is a godamn treasure.
Overall way improved over last season and the first half of this season. There were some nifty story elements in this episode.
Green just cannot do emotions, I wish they had a stronger actress in the role
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I might have missed something, but after Control was stopped, why did Michael and Discovery still need to jump to the future? I thought with Leland’s / Controls death, that was the end of the threat.
Anyway, I thought the episode was good, save for the wonky gravity fight between Georgiou, Leland, and Nhan gave me a headache.
-Battle scene gave me a headache and wasn't enjoyable. Lots of firing going on with nothing actually to see. I don't think we saw one ship actually get destroyed
-Why go to the future if Control is toast? I suppose it's to safeguard the data from something else?
-I actually don't know which crew we're following next season? Obviously it's Discovery but... No preview at all with what is to come
-Time travel is the norm 900 years in the future and Starfleet seems to correct these 'incursions.' I guess that's all out the window
-Really enjoyed the last scene with Michael & Spock. Extremely well done. Unfortunate it wasn't realistic with all hell breaking loose around them
-Shields are gone but hey, let's cross a few wires & they're back up to 40%
Season 2 was way better than the first. Let's hope like in true Star Trek fashion, the series keeps getting better
