Ongoing Residential Schools Tragedy Discussion

[the_only_turek_fan]

https://calgaryherald.com/news/canad...c-7901229832c1

[cam_wmh]

My word. I feel we're going to see more and more of this.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The remains should be reburied with dignity in a cemetery.

The sites themselves should be demolished.

A monument built on the spot memorializing the victims, bonus if it is designed by an FN artist.

Maybe.

In Germany there are holocaust memorials. I went to Buchenwald - it was devastating, and important for me to see.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

My word. I feel we're going to see more and more of this.

There are hundreds of these schools across the country, and most probably have mass graves.

Edit: there were 139 residential schools.

[dammage79]

This is going to get much much worse before it gets better. Time for this country to literally air it skeletons out.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

My word. I feel we're going to see more and more of this.

in my head, the tragedy is these unmarked graves have been waiting all this for us to find them.

We previously were told the graves were there.

Maybe we didn't just want the information to be true?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

My word. I feel we're going to see more and more of this.

This is all previously known. The Truth and Reconciliation commission estimated 3200 deaths occurred. Why does finding them make it worse.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is all previously known. The Truth and Reconciliation commission estimated 3200 deaths occurred. Why does finding them make it worse.

Has anyone done a project to make that report consumable to the average Canadian? It is just pages and pages of reading in a format that almost ensures it will never be understood.

That number seems very light, as well.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

Has anyone done a project to make that report consumable to the average Canadian? It is just pages and pages of reading in a format that almost ensures it will never be understood.

That number seems very light, as well.

Agree with you as that the number is light as it’s only the deaths they recorded.

I’m not sure if the commission report was ever made digestible. I certainly haven’t read it all. I know though that the headlines at the time identified the 3200 dead children and no big deal was made out of it after a few articles

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...l-schools.html

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is all previously known. The Truth and Reconciliation commission estimated 3200 deaths occurred. Why does finding them make it worse.

There can be an emotional difference between a body in the ground and a statistic in a report, even if they reflect the same death.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Not gonna lie the only thing worse than religious people are anti-religious people.

You lie

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

Has anyone done a project to make that report consumable to the average Canadian? It is just pages and pages of reading in a format that almost ensures it will never be understood.

Hundreds of prominent news stories were published about residential schools when the report was prepared and released. I had assumed anyone who had any engagement with news and current events at all was already aware of the deaths.

[Fuzz]

A Mississauga priest is under fire after a sermon referencing the "good done" by the Roman Catholic church in residential schools, saying some might go so far as to even thank it.

During his sermon at the Merciful Redeemer Parish last Sunday, Pastor Owen Keenan referenced the Kamloops, B.C. residential school where the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation reported it had discovered the preliminary remains of more than 200 children in unmarked graves in May.

"Two thirds of the country is blaming the church, which we love, for the tragedies that occurred there," he said on a video originally posted to the church's YouTube page but since deleted. Clips of his sermon continue to circulate on social media.

"I presume the same number would thank the church for the good done in those schools, but of course, that question was never asked and we are not allowed to even say that good was done there. I await to see what comes to my inbox."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ools-1.6077248

These guys still don't get it, do they?

Dr. Suzanne Shoush, who is Indigenous, works for the Catholic-run health network Unity Health Toronto. She is demanding the Pope apologize for the church's role in residential schools. She said comments like those made by Keenan are damaging to reconciliation and exemplify why Catholic leaders need to intervene.

"This is part of the reason why we keep pushing to have a formal asking of forgiveness to Indigenous people in Canada from the Pope himself," she said.

"It's really critical that it comes from the leadership so that we stop having these incredibly ignorant and harmful comments coming from across the church. I think that what we're seeing is extremely harmful to reconciliation."

Also, this...

In the same sermon, Keenan criticized Catholic schools for flying Pride flags this month, saying the church had hoped they'd show "courage" by displaying a cross or sacred heart instead. He described the Pride flag as "the standard of contemporary sexual licence" that's replacing Catholic symbols.

Go away already. Am I tired of seeing this garbage over and over and over.

[Cheese]

Nothing says getting forgiveness from the Catholic Church like a multi million dollar settlement. Those asking for the Pope to apologize will be waiting until hell freezes over LOL. Its not as if the First Nations are Catholic anyways.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Engine09

Am I allowed to touch on religion in this thread? Will anyone call for me to be banned if critical of religion? Holy s**t.

I'll express my disgust for religion here because I feel it's pertinent, I feel it's what empowered these repugnant people. It's what convinces the flock that priests are the conduit to the almighty, that they possess supernatural powers to communicate with an imaginary being.

Isn't that the crux of it? Pretending to have special knowledge to frighten people, to commit crimes and get away with them?

Religion is absolutely deserving of ridicule and those who defend the church, faith and religion need to do some serious reflection.



Only the church leadership? How about the hundreds of priests that have raped and abused children? Yeah, those same disgusting people who claim to speak for God and can reveal his will.

Faith is just an excuse to believe in flat out absurdity with zero evidence, it's such an embarrassing weakness of mankind. Yeah, nonsense?

Not that it matters, but I don't think this is true for Catholics and many mainstream Christian religions.

You may be thinking of mega church evangelicals like Kenneth Whatshisname.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Nothing says getting forgiveness from the Catholic Church like a multi million dollar settlement. Those asking for the Pope to apologize will be waiting until hell freezes over LOL. Its not as if the First Nations are Catholic anyways.

There is a large portion of First Nations people that have adopted Christian religions.

Roughly 2/3rds

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3516132

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by GGG

There is a large portion of First Nations people that have adopted Christian religions.

Roughly 2/3rds

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3516132

I'm not sure adopted is the appropriate word here. These religions were forced upon them, via indoctrination of their children.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ools-1.6077248

These guys still don't get it, do they?



Also, this...

Go away already. Am I tired of seeing this garbage over and over and over.

Sounds like he might need to worry about his church catching fire. Those moronic comments are going to paint a target on it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flacker

I'm not sure adopted is the appropriate word here. These religions were forced upon them, via indoctrination of their children.

Most Indigenous Canadians had adopted Christianity before residential schools were established. And in the period of first contact, most were baptized in adulthood.

Maybe you should go to the next Lac Ste Anne pilgrimage and tell the thousands of Indigenous Catholics gathered that they’re indoctrinated dupes living a sham. No doubt they’ll welcome a white man dispelling their ignorance.

[stone hands]

By definition being religious is being indoctrinated, I dont see how anybody could be upset about being called that lol