Poll request: Lindholm trades

[jg13]

Its hilarious because the Boston fans on Twitter responding to The Athletic account absolutely hate the proposed trade and say they wouldn't trade Frederic for Lindholm 1 for 1.

Almost want to see the trade with Boston now to see the meltdown over there.

[Mr.Coffee]

Not trading Frederic for Lindholm 1:1 is pretty silly.

[blender]

Originally Posted by jg13

Its hilarious because the Boston fans on Twitter responding to The Athletic account absolutely hate the proposed trade and say they wouldn't trade Frederic for Lindholm 1 for 1.

Almost want to see the trade with Boston now to see the meltdown over there.

Uneducated hockey fans abound in all markets.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Not trading Frederic for Lindholm 1:1 is pretty silly.

I know nothing of Frederic.

But the Bruins are old. Adding another old player really doesnt conform with their anticipated timeline.

So...yeah, trading a promising prospect for someone like Lindholm? Doesnt make a lot of sense.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know nothing of Frederic.

But the Bruins are old. Adding another old player really doesnt conform with their anticipated timeline.

So...yeah, trading a promising prospect for someone like Lindholm? Doesnt make a lot of sense.

Unless you think you can win a cup this year. Who fits that pistol better?

I think a revitalized Lindholm on a legit shot to win a cup would be a pretty damn valuable pick up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He wouldn't be the first guy to leave Calgary and have instant success, especially short term

Hell, if he DIDN'T have instant success, he'd be the exception.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Just because Lindholm was asking for $9M a year at the start of the season doesn't mean that is what he will ask for now. We don't know if he did that to purposefully make himself to expensive for this market, we don't know what adjustments his agent and him have made to his expectations, we have no idea if he will take a discount to stay with a contender. I highly doubt he is still expecting anywhere near the AAV he was first looking for at this point.

Maybe not but it’s still hard for him to come down until he tests the FA market

He is a hard sign for teams also. Do they pay for his current production or past production?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lindholm is being traded as a rental because I doubt anyone wanting to pay him what he wants (9M?). They would want to see what he can do for them first.

I don’t think Conroy is having an easy time trading him.

he could trade him in about 2 seconds...his job is to get the best possible deal though

[blender]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Maybe not but it’s still hard for him to come down until he tests the FA market

He is a hard sign for teams also. Do they pay for his current production or past production?

Future production during a long playoff run, preferably a cup, followed by a reasonable extension to try and win again.

It's obvious.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he could trade him in about 2 seconds...his job is to get the best possible deal though

Of course, I meant getting the value he wants

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Of course, I meant getting the value he wants

Just need a few teams to start making moves and a few teams to keep pace

[ForeverFlameFan]

Boston: 2025 1st, Poitras, Trent Frederic
- Great deal. Poitras could be an underrated pickup and Lindholm-lite if given his ice time. Frederic would be a great middle 6 pickup. Allows us to move on from Mangiapane.

Colorado: 2024 1st, Calum Ritchie. Logan O'connor
- Not the worst deal, but I am okay with it as you can flip O’Connor with that cheap salary and current production he’s on. If Goodrow could get a 1st, so can he. I’d sell him right away. I doubt Colorado is moving him and rather move Johansen.

Dallas: 2024 1st, Mavrik Bourque, Sam Steel
- If Bourque is on the table, that’s the deal you try and land the most. With Hintz and Johnston already playing for the top 6, you can’t help but wonder how well Bourque could be in a top 6 role here where it’s guaranteed he will get more opportunity to play.

Vancouver: Nils Hoglander, Kuzmenko, 2024 1st
- An interesting proposal, and an easy yes. Kuzmenko could either explode here (we desperately need his help on the PP) or be flipped next season. I feel like with his playmaking abilities he could feed Sharan. Hoglander is a good grab too. I’d love to package Tanev and Lindholm together and try to grab instead of Hoglander.

Vegas: 2024 2nd, David Edstrom Brett Howden
- Brutal. Just super meh. And Vegas can suck one.

Winnipeg: 2024 1st, Chaz Lucius, Mason Appleton.
- I don’t mind it, but I also don’t like the injury history of Lucius do early in his career. Decent offer, there are just better ones out there.

A lot of these are too good to be true but if they are real then the top two are easily Dallas and Boston, in that order. Bourque > Poitras and Steel <Frederic. A 2025 1st would be more beneficial assuming Tanev or Hanifin are traded, so I suppose with that in mind Boston has the edge with 2 pieces to 1 against Dallas. However, with the season Bourque is having, can’t help but think he is the most valuable and imo should be a highly sought out target.

[Flamesfan05]

Poitras is already better than Lindholm was at the same age
I supposed they could put Lindholm between Marchand and Pasta and hope to revive him

But what happened when Marchand retired after next year? Lindholm would go back to where he is now. Almost useless offensively.

I seriously doubt Boston would be remotely interested in that proposal

[LGA]

What I don't understand is why every team but Vegas is massively overpaying, and then there's the Vegas offer which is a friendly handshake deal and a pat on the back in favour of Vegas.

As an Avs fan, there's a direct comparison there. O'Connor plays a bigger role and has more production than Howden, while also being cheaper. 2024 1st > 2024 2nd. Ritchie is 4th in the OHL in PPG, and is doing that on a team that is actually terrible without him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Poitras is already better than Lindholm was at the same age
I supposed they could put Lindholm between Marchand and Pasta and hope to revive him

But what happened when Marchand retired after next year? Lindholm would go back to where he is now. Almost useless offensively.

I seriously doubt Boston would be remotely interested in that proposal

I don't think Poitras will be much of a player. He's a product of the role he's been placed in, and having some early success.
But I think he tops out as a 3rd liner in the NHL

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think Poitras will be much of a player. He's a product of the role he's been placed in, and having some early success.
But I think he tops out as a 3rd liner in the NHL

I don’t disagree. His ceiling is not high but Lindholm is not a line driver also
The main difference is Lindholm can complement two better players on his line. We don’t know if Poitras can.

[Hack&Lube]

LOL MacT says Lindholm would be a great fit in the Oilers BOTTOM six

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...for-flames-ace

[OILFAN #81]

Way to read it out of context. They are saying Lindholm is a great player. He would be on their 2nd line in terms of skill. They said they would give up TWO 1st round picks or a 1st round pick plus an equivalent (1st round prospect, etc) plus a roster player for him. They aren't saying Lindholm is a 3rd or 4th line player. They said that he is the best forward available (along with Guentzel). Oilers already have 3 centers (McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins) playing in the top 6 and one has to play the wing so Lindholm would be at times playing as the 3rd line center in his natural role in their scenario due to his great 2 way play. Lindholm would either be Edmonton's 4th or 5th best forward and would normally be on the 2nd line.

But he isn't getting traded there anyways so it's just a talking point.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think Poitras will be much of a player. He's a product of the role he's been placed in, and having some early success.
But I think he tops out as a 3rd liner in the NHL

Tough to say.

Bruins love him and have compared him to Bergeron in how good his 200 ft play is already.

He's probably not a top line guy like Bergeron was, but could he be a poor man's Bergeron that's maybe more comparable to a Backlund...it's possible.

I think you're maybe reading too much into his WJC where the whole team struggled to produce offense, not just him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tough to say.

Bruins love him and have compared him to Bergeron in how good his 200 ft play is already.

He's probably not a top line guy like Bergeron was, but could he be a poor man's Bergeron that's maybe more comparable to a Backlund...it's possible.

I think you're maybe reading too much into his WJC where the whole team struggled to produce offense, not just him.

Indeed tough to say but I'm not basing my comments on the WJC alone.