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Old 11-21-2020, 05:20 PM   #6701
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They lost another one.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/polit...uit/index.html

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A US District Court judge Saturday dismissed a lawsuit by the Trump campaign trying to invalidate millions of Pennsylvania mail-in votes.

"Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated," US District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote Saturday.
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Brann went on to admonish the Trump campaign lawyers for not presenting factual proof for seeking to invalidate so many votes in the key battleground state.
"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened," Brann added. "Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:21 PM   #6702
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And the court losses just keep piling up, lol. This judge in Pennsylvania is having none of the Trump campaign's bulls***.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/polit...uit/index.html

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A US District Court judge Saturday dismissed a lawsuit by the Trump campaign trying to invalidate millions of Pennsylvania mail-in votes.

"Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated," US District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote Saturday.

Brann went on to admonish the Trump campaign lawyers for not presenting factual proof for seeking to invalidate so many votes in the key battleground state.

"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened," Brann added. "Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."

"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more," the judge wrote." At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted."

The counties in the state are scheduled to certify their election results on Monday.
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:27 PM   #6703
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And the court losses just keep piling up, lol. This judge in Pennsylvania is having none of the Trump campaign's bulls***.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/polit...uit/index.html
This was Rudy's case, yeah?
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:32 PM   #6704
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Also, you just know that is gonna send Trump into a boiling rage:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-t...vy-seals-joke/

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Former President Barack Obama on Thursday took a light-hearted jab at President Donald Trump, who has refused to concede the election to President-elect Joe Biden. Late night host Jimmy Kimmel asked Mr. Obama what might happen if an unnamed person -- presumably Mr. Trump -- were trying to hide in the White House.

"You know the White House well. You lived there for eight years. Are there places someone could hide? Like, if, say, they were going to be removed?" Kimmel asked the former president on his show Thursday. "There's little cubby holes or anything we should know about?"

"Well, I think we can always send the Navy SEALs in there to dig him out," Mr. Obama replied, laughing.
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Old 11-21-2020, 06:01 PM   #6705
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Trump cant be president after January 20th if Biden dies. If the states wont honor Harris as President then, on the 20th Nancy Pelosi is President. Trump is done

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You’re assuming the orange menace knows this and cares. He might toss a hail Mary.
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This was Rudy's case, yeah?
I think the one you're thinking of was a federal court case.
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Christ, here we go again. These clowns are beyond shameless. Considering what's been going on over the last couple of days, and now this...I'd be absolutely furious if I were a Michigan voter right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...41N5x3T-Q2NsRw

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The heads of the Republican National Committee and Michigan Republican Party issued a joint statement Saturday calling for Michigan’s state canvassing board to delay certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state, marking the latest attempt by GOP leaders to intervene in the state’s electoral process.

In the letter — signed by RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, who is from Michigan, and state GOP Chair Laura Cox — the officials ask the canvassing board to adjourn for 14 days and allow for a “full audit and investigation” before they convene to certify the state’s election results, a procedural step that is set to take place Monday afternoon.

“This board faces a stark choice,” the letter reads, citing claims of “numerical anomalies” and “procedural irregularities” that they say would leave “the distrust and sense of procedural disenfranchisement felt by many Michigan voters to fester for years” if ignored by the board.

The letter has increased worries among state Democratic leaders that Republicans may block certification Monday. They have begun drafting legal documents and detailed contingency plans in the event the board fails to certify. Among the options being considered is for Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) to replace the GOP members using her executive authority, or to ask a judge to compel the board to certify the results, said a current and former Democratic official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on this matter.

“There is absolutely no legal basis for the Republican canvassers to abandon their responsibility to certify the general election result — that was a fair, free and secure election — as required by statute,” Christine Greig, Michigan’s House Democratic leader, said in a statement Friday. She said the delays in declaring the results official — particularly those related to vote counting in Detroit — are rooted in racism and could be a “stunt” to influence selection of the state’s presidential electors.

McDaniel and Cox’s demand for scrutiny is entirely focused on the election results in Wayne County, Michigan’s largest and most Democratic county, which includes Detroit.
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In a tweet Friday, Michigan’s Democratic secretary of state suggested an audit such as the one requested by McDaniel and Cox would not be allowed under state law, which does not allow for the necessary records to be released until after the state certifies the results.

“Not sure who needs to hear this, but under state law (MCL 168.31a) audits can only be conducted after the State Canvassers certify the election,” Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson wrote. “This is [because] election officials do not have legal access to the documents needed to complete audits until the certification.”

Still, the demand by the two GOP leaders increases the pressure on the two Republican members of the four-member Board of Canvassers, whose actions Monday could slow down the process of finalizing election results in the battleground state and empower others to echo President Trump’s unfounded allegation that he was robbed of victory because of widespread fraud.


In an interview Thursday, Norman Shinkle, one of the Republicans on the state canvassing board, said that although he expected Biden to win the election, he may suggest a delay to allow for an audit of the state’s ballots.
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I don't ever get sick of Obama interviews.

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In what world does an unelected partisan shill like Rona McDaniel get to have any say in anything ?
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:11 PM   #6710
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The judges should be referring these cases to state bar associations for consideration as to whether disbarment is warranted. Giuliani and these other Trump lawyers should not be allowed to commence another lawsuit.
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Fun fact:

New speaker of the house is elected before Jan 20th, and it can technically be anyone, doesn't have to be a member of the house.

They could pick, for example, Hillary Clinton. Or Joe Biden. Really if the Republicans try shenanigans with the electors, the Democrats have some real nuclear options available through their control of the house.

(There's also a real chance Pelosi won't continue as speaker, she's getting old and is far from universally loved among Democrats.)

I really should have paid more attention to Designated Survivor.
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Old 11-21-2020, 08:04 PM   #6712
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This was good. But for real, of all the qualified professionals out there, can we give an hour a night to someone who didn’t lie about being in a helicopter crash in a war?
You should listen to the Revisionist History episode on this. It is very compelling.

Revisionist History in general is an awesome podcast, particularly if you are a fan of Malcolm Gladwell. Very well done.
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Old 11-21-2020, 08:32 PM   #6713
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The judges should be referring these cases to state bar associations for consideration as to whether disbarment is warranted. Giuliani and these other Trump lawyers should not be allowed to commence another lawsuit.

If the likes of Giuliani and Sidney What's-her-face are allowed to keep their law licences after this, it will truly be an indictment of their respective Bars.



American legal ethics have always operated at a lower standard than they do in Canada, but if these recent performances aren't enough to have them booted, then it's clear there's basically no standards at all.
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I mean Trump has to overturn what, 4 states to have any hope... but even succeeding in getting one state to not certify their votes in time for the EC to vote would be a huge blow to the US.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1330350157033041920
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What an incredible, almost Narnia like time in American politics now.


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I mean Trump has to overturn what, 4 states to have any hope... but even succeeding in getting one state to not certify their votes in time for the EC to vote would be a huge blow to the US.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1330350157033041920
The 2nd recount is done through machines only, Georgia was anticipating this, the certification won't be late.

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What an incredible, almost Narnia like time in American politics now.


I remember seeing that. Just a decent decent man.

Did McCain lose the presidency by choosing Sarah Palin? What a due diligence blunder. Good movie with Woody Harrelson and Julianne Moore.
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I remember seeing that. Just a decent decent man.

Did McCain lose the presidency by choosing Sarah Palin? What a due diligence blunder. Good movie with Woody Harrelson and Julianne Moore.
He was pressured to take her to appeal to the deplorables. After the election, he wanted absolutely nothing to do with her. Did she even go to his funeral?
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I remember seeing that. Just a decent decent man.

Did McCain lose the presidency by choosing Sarah Palin? What a due diligence blunder. Good movie with Woody Harrelson and Julianne Moore.
I think it's in this thread where a poster pointed out that McCain had a nice bump in support immediately after taking Palin. Apparently he was losing in the polls prior to picking his running mate, picked her, had a jump, then a dive back down.

I didn't follow the 2008 election that closely. Admittedly, I assumed the US woudln't vote for a black man for President and just assumed McCain would walk away with the Presidency. My foggy memory has me thinking McCain shifted to the right and wasn't himself, which ultimately hurt him at the polls... but don't trust my foggy memory.

There was always something about McCain that I liked, that video is part of what I liked about him.
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McCain never really had a chance due to the dawn of the global financial crisis. His entire pitch was that Obama was basically Justin Trudeau - trying to cast him as a charismatic but inexperienced, cult of personality, celebrity-like figure who couldn't be trusted to make foreign policy decisions, especially on military matters. During the primaries, that seemed like the right way to go, as US politics was absolutely consumed with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for the 8 years previous. But the election ended up being almost entirely about the economy and domestic policy. It wasn't altogether unlike having COVID randomly show up in an election year.
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