I'm always going to believe that an Asai moonsault or a Shooting Star Press or Ospreay's twisty-720-flip'o'rama-lighting-harbringer-of-doom splash are infinitely more dangerous than a boring ol' regular plancha from the top rope.
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Some stuff does look like it makes the move way more impactful though.
Like the speed and forward momentum generated by a 450 splash actually makes the move look way more devastating than just a splash.
Shooting Star press is funny because it looks cool, but really you're actually slowing your fall towards your competitor by doing a back flip
I hate how they've normalised finishers. Both sides are guilty of that. Like on Dynamite you have Okada giving everyone tombstones... only to win matches with his closeline. A finisher should mean something, it shouldn't become a transitional move. Basically we're at the point where a pile driver, power bomb, or Canadian destroyer is the same as a bodyslam or single leg takedown. Don't get me even started on kicks to the head... Could Shawn Michaels even be taken seriously in 2024 with that as his finisher?
SuperMatt - Oh I agree, I'm just having fun here. What I do hate though, is the long setup for some to jump off the turnbuckle and the other person just waits to get landed on, or even worse, rolls into position. If you're going to roll into position, you can roll out of position!
Wrestler A - "So then, while he's on the mat, I climb up on the top rope and . . . "
Me - "I've seen you climb up on the top rope, it takes you like 5 minutes"
Wrestler A - "Anyways, then I wait for him because he has to stand up to take my 450 degree, super Pichachoo splash."
Me - "So he stands up and stares at you, and then your super 450 whatsamiggity takes like 5 seconds to hit".
Me - "Ok, then you wrestler B roll out of the ring"
WrestlerB - "You got it boss"
WrestlerA - "No he has to stand there and take my move"
Me - "So wrestlerB is in your booking mind an idiot".
WrestlerA - "But its my big move".
Me - "How about WrestlerB waits for you to jump off, do your super spinning thing and then kicks you in the face on the way down and pins you 1-2-3. That makes a lot of sense"
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Some people still do some of that stuff well but too many don't.
Gunthier's chops look menacing (and probably actually hurt like hell), and they get sold well generally too.
But then you have Eddie Kingston's "Machine Gun Chops" that honestly look about as vigorous as if you were trying to burp a baby.
And in the end this stuff existed in the 80's and 90's too, just in different ways.
In the end though the biggest problem is just the psychology of the sell throughout a match. You need to look sore, tired, and out of energy by the end of the match. By the end of the match any motion or movement should look laboured and things should take longer, unless it's one of those acts of desperation.
For some reason that is hilarious to me.
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I don't really seen a huge discernable change between both those machine gun chops. Did Kobashi do it better? Sure. But so has Kingston in other matches too (he's just less consistent). Here's a better YouTube link for a bigger sample:
Either way, this is a move set that gets a pop from the crowd.
His actual chops are generally good.
Something about his Machine Gun chops always look silly to me though, like he's not really fully connecting or making impact.
Kobashi's came off menacing. Eddie's come's off goofy.
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Chad Gable getting a more serious storyline is also a lot of fun.
He's great in the ring.
And he's come along so far on the mic.
Hopefully they let him be his own character though and not just Heel Kurt Angle. It's kind of crazy that Alpha Academy has been a thing going back to December 2020.
Like on Dynamite you have Okada giving everyone tombstones... only to win matches with his closeline.
Okada has been using tombstones as a setup move for over a decade. There are quite a few NJPW wrestlers who use it or a variation of it. It's not considered a finisher in Japan for the most part.
Probably again because Tony needs to rebuild a pretty depleted roster, I expect he will bring Jinder in as a traditional heel.
You said the same thing about Riddle and Ziggler, too. The reality is that AEW isn't really picking up WWE's scraps anymore unless they're a legitimate main event talent (e.g. Edge, Mercedes, etc.), or younger wrestlers with high ceilings.
It's possible Jinder shows up for one or two matches, but I doubt he gets a full-time contract.
Cameron Grimes was released, as was Von Wagner. I expect Grimes to end up in TNA or possibly AEW (not sure they're taking any on anymore), and Von Wagner to probably hit the independent scene.
According to PWInsider’s sources that’s the extent of the list for this unexpected round of cuts, as the site’s Mike Johnson reports that no other names are expected to be released “at this time.”
Per Johnson, talent at WWE say the company’s calls to the people who lost their jobs yesterday were “very different” from how previous Talent Relations regimes informed those effected by past rounds of releases. Specifically, conversations with this group were “far less curt and more apologetic and respectful towards the talents”.
Love seeing that. It really is a new regime under Levesque. I can't believe they were able to sustain the last 10-15 years under Vince's regime. It must have been a complete nightmare, unless you were one of the top guys. It's no wonder Rock, Cena, Taker kept up with Vince all this time. Vince helped make them all into superstars. However I am sure the rest of the talent (and those backstage) are thrilled that he will never be coming back.
Cameron Grimes was released, as was Von Wagner. I expect Grimes to end up in TNA or possibly AEW (not sure they're taking any on anymore), and Von Wagner to probably hit the independent scene.
I always liked Grimes character in NXT, where he won the lottery and became a really stupid version of the Million dollar man. he showed some really good comedy chops.
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Makes sense. Nemeth is a main eventer in TNA. He would have been a midcard guy in AEW.
I don't think it was position on the card related. Nemeth has talked a lot about freedom to just do whatever, he has a burgeoning stand-up career that I think he also wants to put a lot of time into now.
I think TNA (turning once more into lolTNA) gave him the best opportunity to do that and still perform.
