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Bingo · 10-07-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Now if only he could find a talented center to pair in between his two wingers

This is bashing Monahan?

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-07-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

This is bashing Monahan?

Yes. He’s been trolling the forum for ages bashing Monahan. It’s annoying.

dammage79 · 10-07-2018, 12:33 PM

It's nice, Lindholm can play d. A lot of times last night he was covering an out of position d man. That's helps. 200ft games for the win!

Bingo · 10-07-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yes. He’s been trolling the forum for ages bashing Monahan. It’s annoying.

The more I go through the wars on this site the more I wonder how little of it is trolling and likely just a personal bias.

Watched both games this year with my 16 year old son, and both on TV (game one) and live (last night) all he can see is Mark Giordano mistakes. He's good (or smart enough) to bend on an overall opinion towards the negative, but he's conditioned to think less of the guy and he can't see anything else.

I think a lot of people have these filters.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-07-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Now if only he could find a talented center to pair in between his two wingers

A piping hot Thanksgiving take from Love.

The centre isn't as talented as the winger who has 100 fewer points.

VilleN · 10-07-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Now if only he could find a talented center to pair in between his two wingers

Pretty high bar for talented... scoring 30g/season in the best league in the world. What would it take, in your mind, to be called talented? Was Lemieux talented, or merely decent? Did Gretzky do enough to be viewed as having talent? Is anyone better than talented on the planet? Was Jesus ‘ok’ at miracles? Sure, he could walk on water, but he couldn’t even run.

Love · 10-07-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yes. He’s been trolling the forum for ages bashing Monahan. It’s annoying.

Oh I forgot having opinions = trolling now. Weird that you'd willingly create an account on a forum and then get upset when it isn't an echo chamber.

AC · 10-07-2018, 02:04 PM

The forum would be better off if Love stopped posting. I have him on ignore and still get to see all his idiotic trolling because people respond to it.

He bragged about having better forums to post on anyways.

Bingo · 10-07-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Oh I forgot having opinions = trolling now. Weird that you'd willingly create an account on a forum and then get upset when it isn't an echo chamber.

I think you'll find you'll get confused less with a troll if you add some depth to a post instead of a simple drive by like you chose.

Love · 10-07-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

The forum would be better off if Love stopped posting. I have him on ignore and still get to see all his idiotic trolling because people respond to it.

He bragged about having better forums to post on anyways.

That was referring to basketball discussion because another user linked me a forum. But I hope you get your internet likes.

haiku · 10-07-2018, 02:10 PM

guys starts a draft thread
middle of game when down two
yeah no, not a troll

Love · 10-07-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I think you'll find you'll get confused less with a troll if you add some depth to a post instead of a simple drive by like you chose.

I've gone in depth multiple times. I think outside of shooting the puck, Monahan is the definition of mediocre. Maybe even below that.

He is slow as molasses and can't carry the puck. Not anything special as a passer, not physical at all or much of a leader. Sucks along the boards (cycling). His lack of speed makes him a liability defensively.

I just don't see the #1 center in his game outside of being exceptional at shooting the puck and I think if we ever want to be a true contender we'll need better.

Historically looking at cup winning #1 C's, he isn't in the same stratosphere. He's barely a #2C. Malkin, Kuznetsov, Krejci, Carter, Richards. He would be the fifth best #2C... Monahan leading us down the middle means we aspire to be no greater than a St. Louis / Minnesota 2.0.

GioforPM · 10-07-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Oh I forgot having opinions = trolling now. Weird that you'd willingly create an account on a forum and then get upset when it isn't an echo chamber.

You criticized Monahan for passing, when passing was a good play and he did it correctly. You didn't make a single post that wasn't about Monahan.

GioforPM · 10-07-2018, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

I've gone in depth multiple times. I think outside of shooting the puck, Monahan is the definition of mediocre. Maybe even below that.

He is slow as molasses and can't carry the puck. Not anything special as a passer, not physical at all or much of a leader. Sucks along the boards (cycling). His lack of speed makes him a liability defensively.

I just don't see the #1 center in his game outside of being exceptional at shooting the puck and I think if we ever want to be a true contender we'll need better.

Historically looking at cup winning #1 C's, he isn't in the same stratosphere. He's barely a #2C. Malkin, Kuznetsov, Krejci, Carter, Richards. He would be the fifth best #2C... If we want to be serious about winning and not be St. Louis / Minnesota 2.0 we need an upgrade.

Monahan is better than either Kreiji or Richards and probably Carter as well. Carter wasn't even a C in his best years - he was on Getzlaf's wing.

Love · 10-07-2018, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Monahan is better than either Kreiji or Richards and probably Carter as well. Carter wasn't even a C in his best years - he was on Getzlaf's wing.

Jeff Carter on Getzlaf's wing?

Krejci > Monahan
Carter >> Monahan
Richards =< Monahan

Jiri Hrdina · 10-07-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

I've gone in depth multiple times. I think outside of shooting the puck, Monahan is the definition of mediocre. Maybe even below that.

He is slow as molasses and can't carry the puck. Not anything special as a passer, not physical at all or much of a leader. Sucks along the boards (cycling). His lack of speed makes him a liability defensively.

I just don't see the #1 center in his game outside of being exceptional at shooting the puck and I think if we ever want to be a true contender we'll need better.

Historically looking at cup winning #1 C's, he isn't in the same stratosphere. He's barely a #2C. Malkin, Kuznetsov, Krejci, Carter, Richards. He would be the fifth best #2C... Monahan leading us down the middle means we aspire to be no greater than a St. Louis / Minnesota 2.0.

Even if you’ve feel like you’ve got in depth it doesn’t explain or excuse a poor drive by post that has no real point except to provoke a reaction

GioforPM · 10-07-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Jeff Carter on Getzlaf's wing?

Krejci > Monahan
Carter >> Monahan
Richards =< Monahan

I always mix up Catrter and Perry. But in any event, Carter was not usually a number 2 and today I'd take Monahan over him, yes. Also over Krejci and Richards.

Beninho · 10-07-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

I've gone in depth multiple times. I think outside of shooting the puck, Monahan is the definition of mediocre. Maybe even below that.

He is slow as molasses and can't carry the puck. Not anything special as a passer, not physical at all or much of a leader. Sucks along the boards (cycling). His lack of speed makes him a liability defensively.

I just don't see the #1 center in his game outside of being exceptional at shooting the puck and I think if we ever want to be a true contender we'll need better.

Historically looking at cup winning #1 C's, he isn't in the same stratosphere. He's barely a #2C. Malkin, Kuznetsov, Krejci, Carter, Richards. He would be the fifth best #2C... Monahan leading us down the middle means we aspire to be no greater than a St. Louis / Minnesota 2.0.

Stats say otherwise, that’s why your argument seems agenda driven. Monahan could easily score 40 this year, I don’t care who he plays with, if you score with his type of consistency you are a #1.

ForeverFlameFan · 10-07-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Oh I forgot having opinions = trolling now. Weird that you'd willingly create an account on a forum and then get upset when it isn't an echo chamber.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but you’re also derailing the thread.

This is a thread about Lindholm, not Monahan. Therefore, I consider that trolling.

Bingo · 10-07-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

I've gone in depth multiple times. I think outside of shooting the puck, Monahan is the definition of mediocre. Maybe even below that.

He is slow as molasses and can't carry the puck. Not anything special as a passer, not physical at all or much of a leader. Sucks along the boards (cycling). His lack of speed makes him a liability defensively.

I just don't see the #1 center in his game outside of being exceptional at shooting the puck and I think if we ever want to be a true contender we'll need better.

Historically looking at cup winning #1 C's, he isn't in the same stratosphere. He's barely a #2C. Malkin, Kuznetsov, Krejci, Carter, Richards. He would be the fifth best #2C... Monahan leading us down the middle means we aspire to be no greater than a St. Louis / Minnesota 2.0.

There you go.

Now if you had a) done that instead of the drive by and b) done it in a post about Monahan, or the Flames structure up the middle ... you would have been off to the races!

Sadly neither was the case