[Rumour] Sens exploring trade market with DeBrincat

[Royle9]

Yep no need for this.
Keep hoping Mang can bounce back as he’s trending in this direction.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Wheeler has Korchinski (who the Hawks drafted with the 7th overall pick) ranked #12 for NHL drafted prospects. Projecting to be a top-pairing guy. Will probably be a second-pairing guy while he’s still on his entry-level contract. In 3 seasons, the Sens are going to be wishing they had a player that slotted in like that.

They then went out and blew the 12th pick in 2023, 2nd in 2024 and a 2nd in 2026 to get Chychrun - which just makes this all the dumber.

That team pressing the fast forward button was and is moronic.

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yep no need for this.
Keep hoping Mang can bounce back as he’s trending in this direction.

But also...why do any of us think he'd sign here, but not in Ottawa? The Senators, despite their stupidity, are still trending in more of an upward direction than this team is.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yep no need for this.
Keep hoping Mang can bounce back as he’s trending in this direction.

A 27 year old player with a career high of 55 points last year and actually trending downwards?

Debrincat had 66 points last season in an off-year.

I am sorry but these two players are not comparable at all.

[butterfly]

I don't know how this team thought DeBrincat and Chychrun would make them better than Toronto, Tampa Bay, Boston, Florida, etc. Buffalo's even better if they get a goalie somehow.

I'd rather have kept the picks.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't know how this team thought DeBrincat and Chychrun would make them better than Toronto, Tampa Bay, Boston, Florida, etc. Buffalo's even better if they get a goalie somehow.

I'd rather have kept the picks.

This Senators build is also why I think the Flames as an organization should move beyond trading picks. It’s the absolute lifeline for markets like this.

You win through the players you draft and develop. Full stop. Attempting to fast track that process is a fool’s errand for a market like Calgary.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This Senators build is also why I think the Flames as an organization should move beyond trading picks. It’s the absolute lifeline for markets like this.

You win through the players you draft and develop. Full stop. Attempting to fast track that process is a fool’s errand for a market like Calgary.

Exactly. They had a good start with Batherson, Tkachuk, getting the Stutzle pick from SJ, Chabot. Keep feeding the pipeline, don't start trading picks and signing people when your core isn't good enough to be in the playoffs.

The DeBrincat trade wasn't horrible because as an RFA they can still recoup some of what they gave up, but it's not my preferred method of building a team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I could see the rangers being very interested. Move one of Kakko or Laf in a package for him, sign long term, and maybe get Kane signed cheap to play together again

And have the cap rise a ton to accommodate all that.

[Scroopy Noopers]

It sounded like the Giroux negotiation included promises to push chips in and get some other pieces. Double bad GM’ing.

[Macho0978]

Some guys are great at 5 on 5 in limited roles but just do not ever make the jump to 1st pp 1st line roles

It’s time to put Mangiapane in the category of great role player who is not a 1st line player not getting the chance.

[GioforPM]

I thought getting Debrincat was fine given his age and skill set. Giroux was the one who didn’t make sense to me.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I thought getting Debrincat was fine given his age and skill set. Giroux was the one who didn’t make sense to me.

Chicago traded him because they didn’t like the money he wanted.

He wasn’t going to accept less in Ottawa, if at all.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Chicago traded him because they didn’t like the money he wanted.

He wasn’t going to accept less in Ottawa, if at all.

I think it was probably more about mitigating the Seth Jones trade, and acknowledging that DrBrincat didn't fit with the new timeline (nor ambition for Bedard).

[dammage79]

I don't believe DeBrincat is a player who wants to be a Flame. Flames really need to build through the draft (just like Conroy said), not trade away 1st round picks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't believe DeBrincat is a player who wants to be a Flame. Flames really need to build through the draft (just like Conroy said), not trade away 1st round picks.

Why do we think it’s picks? I think Ottawa wants players.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why do we think it’s picks? I think Ottawa wants players.

Mangiapane would be a start. Then you gotta clear another 4 million in c9ntrac5s just to entertain him signing. Hanifin? Sanderson/Hanifin might be a pairing they'd covet.

[Vinny01]

I am not sure the Sens rushed their rebuild. They have locked up 4 prospects they developed in Chabot, Tkachuk, Norris, Stutzle. With all those guys getting paid the time to win should be soon so trading 1st rounders for 24-25 year old proven star players makes sense. You can’t be wasting years of these second contracts without trying to move the team forward.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This was pretty clearly what was going to happen the moment Ottawa acquired him. That was such a bad trade. Ottawa's predictable impatience has impacted the ceiling of their rebuild in my eyes. 7th overall + 39th overall + 3rd in 2024, I can't imagine they're going to extract that much value out of this.

Basically a perfect example of why Canadian teams never win in the long run. the definition of impatience, like you said. Mortgaging the future in a desperate bid to "get in and make a run"... Meanwhile I don't think the Senators are in any better position today than they were this time last year.

[NewFan]

I would trade Kadri and Toffoli for him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by keenan87

A 27 year old player with a career high of 55 points last year and actually trending downwards?

Debrincat had 66 points last season in an off-year.

I am sorry but these two players are not comparable at all.

At 5v5 Mangiapane has better production over the last three seasons.

The difference in production is that Debrincat has a ton of PP production and top line PP minutes, which Mangiapane has never gotten. (Tough to say what Mangiapane would do with those minutes, a bit crazy that he didn't get more of a look on the top unit with Gaudreau and Tkachuk gone now)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not sure the Sens rushed their rebuild. They have locked up 4 prospects they developed in Chabot, Tkachuk, Norris, Stutzle. With all those guys getting paid the time to win should be soon so trading 1st rounders for 24-25 year old proven star players makes sense. You can’t be wasting years of these second contracts without trying to move the team forward.

They were locked up for 8 years. The clock has barely begun to tick on those players. No need to rush.