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jayswin · 07-10-2016, 03:05 PM

I wish more people were as insanely hyped about Kylington as I am, lol. His issue was "can he be coached into being defensively responsible" and so far the answer has been a pretty strong yes.

If the answer to that question was ever yes, then there was no reason for him not to shoot back up to his original potential which had him going extremely high in that draft. I think we're going to have a star defensemen in Kylington, but I understand reputations are what they are and he'll have to show it in the NHL before the masses will jump on board.

Prepare to be surprised by this kid, though, he's likely going to be an offensive, star defenseman, and we'll be looking back at this and last years prospect rankings and going "Haha, wow it's hilarious how he wasn't ranked higher back in 2015/16!", like Brodie.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-10-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think Mangiapane is the guy who could jump a lot next year. If he shows he can play and produce at the pro level it will raise his stock big time.

I think he needs to prove he can play at the pro level in some shape or form. Once he proves he can perform in the pros then his stock will have something to support a projection of his potential. Small junior players are so hard to get a handle on until they play against men. Here's to hoping he rips up the AHL and we have a player on our hands.

Roof-Daddy · 07-10-2016, 03:34 PM

I'm a bit surprised that Hickey looks like he will do well with his placing here. Not because I don't think he's any good, just because I figured more would be a bit down on him because his offensive numbers took such a hit last season at BU.

I assume his showing at development camp combined with the fact that he's now 6'2 and 208lbs helped?

Red Menace · 07-10-2016, 03:56 PM

Gillies is #5 on my list, Jankowski #6.... Voted Kylington

MarkGio · 07-10-2016, 04:06 PM

This one is a landslide. I personally would've had Gillies over Jankowski.

Janko doesn't have the number #1 centre potential, whereas Gillies has starter potential. Both aren't NHLers just yet, but are both on the brink. Gillies might have injury concerns, but hip surgery is normal for Goalies and even the best of them get it and recover.

Caged Great · 07-10-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm a bit surprised that Hickey looks like he will do well with his placing here. Not because I don't think he's any good, just because I figured more would be a bit down on him because his offensive numbers took such a hit last season at BU.

I assume his showing at development camp combined with the fact that he's now 6'2 and 208lbs helped?

Stats aren't always everything. BU also lost Eichel, which does impact everyone's offensive totals.

RyZ · 07-10-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

This one is a landslide. I personally would've had Gillies over Jankowski.

Janko doesn't have the number #1 centre potential, whereas Gillies has starter potential. Both aren't NHLers just yet, but are both on the brink. Gillies might have injury concerns, but hip surgery is normal for Goalies and even the best of them get it and recover.

Many would argue that MacDonald and Parsons do as well, but that wont place them in the top 5 (or likely top 10 for that matter).

GranteedEV · 07-10-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Janko doesn't have the number #1 centre potential

Not sure when his potential suddenly changed but as of his draft his potential was:

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"Jankowski has the potential to be a top six scoring centre at the NHL level"

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"NHL Potential:
First or second line center"

At least according to this link.

dissentowner · 07-10-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

This one is a landslide. I personally would've had Gillies over Jankowski.

Janko doesn't have the number #1 centre potential, whereas Gillies has starter potential. Both aren't NHLers just yet, but are both on the brink. Gillies might have injury concerns, but hip surgery is normal for Goalies and even the best of them get it and recover.

Lots of goalies start with starter potential. Few get there. Gillies is not even in my top 8, way too much unknown here. Look at a guy like Jack Campbell who looked like a slam dunk to become a starter. Or Dipietro. Or *insert a bunch of other goalies here* I think it is crazy to rank a goalie prospect that untested this high.

1qqaaz · 07-10-2016, 04:34 PM

Once again, I voted for Gillies.

But things will get more interesting after this round.

Always Earned Never Given · 07-10-2016, 04:43 PM

Voted Gillies cause he's hip!

Yanda · 07-10-2016, 05:04 PM

Just lost all faith in this communities opinion. Did Patrick Sieloff jump up 5 spots when he missed an entire year? what a joke.

Vulcan · 07-10-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

Just lost all faith in this communities opinion. Did Patrick Sieloff jump up 5 spots when he missed an entire year? what a joke.

I don't think Sieloff has ever been considered a prime prospect except maybe by Feaster and Weisbrod. Sieloff showed that what he was is a stay at home defenceman who despite average size, likes to hit. This seems to result in injury even as a junior. His staph infection was unlucky and I feel for him but he has no offensive game and IMO no NHL future.

Gillies has been praised by management since his first year after his draft as being a top prospect and hopefully our future in goal. Sure he could disappoint but so far his playing hasn't.

MarkGio · 07-10-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lots of goalies start with starter potential. Few get there. Gillies is not even in my top 8, way too much unknown here. Look at a guy like Jack Campbell who looked like a slam dunk to become a starter. Or Dipietro. Or *insert a bunch of other goalies here* I think it is crazy to rank a goalie prospect that untested this high.

Yeah but you can make that same argument about any other position, whether it's RW (ie, Yakupov, Jessiman), centres (Brule, Svitov), left wing (C.Gillies, Picard ) or defenseman (Ellerby, Valabik). All those positions have their fair share of busts.

Gillies was at one point a top 15 goalie prospect for 2 years. He even has exceptional pro numbers before his injury. It's also a very common and recoverable injury for goalies, and I've even heard it being a surgery to goalies as the shoulder surgery is to pitchers.

EldrickOnIce · 07-10-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

Just lost all faith in this communities opinion. Did Patrick Sieloff jump up 5 spots when he missed an entire year? what a joke.

No. He dropped 5 spots.
Math is hard.

oldschoolcalgary · 07-10-2016, 06:50 PM

draft projections are snapshots in time...

at a certain point in time, one has to recalibrate a players projections based on what they've done since their draft year

obviously, some posters here still think Janko has the potential of being a first or second line center based on the poll results, while others like myself see his ceiling as a colborne or backlund-lite 3rd line center - but what people think is rapidly coming to the point of being moot...

Janko's play on the ice will speak for itself now...

Yanda · 07-10-2016, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

No. He dropped 5 spots.
Math is hard.

So what puts Gillies so far ahead of M2 and Parsons in the middle of the pack? Its like Gillies can do no wrong around here, he just missed a whole season

Heavy Jack · 07-10-2016, 07:52 PM

I'm basing this on who I trill feel will make the biggest impact in the future after the first two (obvious IMO) picks. Andrew Mangiapane is a gamer... 100 percent believe he will be an impact guy in the NHL down the road.

Roof-Daddy · 07-10-2016, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

So what puts Gillies so far ahead of M2 and Parsons in the middle of the pack? Its like Gillies can do no wrong around here, he just missed a whole season

Yeah, he missed a whole season and that really sucks. However, the surgery he had is something that IIRC most goalies come back from without any problems. Also, he did play 7 AHL games before getting hurt and in those games posted a .920 save percentage with 2 shut outs. I imagine if he'd fared worse in those games and/or had a more serious or career threatening surgery he probably wouldn't be getting near as many votes.

EldrickOnIce · 07-10-2016, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

So what puts Gillies so far ahead of M2 and Parsons in the middle of the pack? Its like Gillies can do no wrong around here, he just missed a whole season

I personally don't think he is. But there has been several pages of debate about it, pro and con. Bingo clearly states that there is no criteria in determining rank, except whatever ones own criteria is. I don't think most of us pretend to be scouts. It's probably a popularity contest as much as anything.