07-08-2019, 11:49 AM
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#1281
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I doubt this happens. Hall has been stating that he wants to play for a winner a lot recently. If the flames trade their best player in order to get Hall, that doesn't really set the flames up as a sure-fire contender.
If the flames do trade Gaudreau, I would hope it's in the hopes of re-tooling and getting back a large package of prospects and picks not a large price tag UFA.
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07-08-2019, 11:55 AM
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#1282
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by theTrumanShow
oh Eklund:
A source yesterday confirmed that Arizona, who has suddenly gotten quite aggressive, has told the NJ Devils of their interest in Taylor Hall, should the Devils and Hall decide to part ways...that is not the most interesting part of this though...
The Devils and Calgary Flames have already, quietly discussed a contingency plan for this scenario...and coming back to NJ as part of the deal would be South Jersey native Johnny Gaudreau.
SMH
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So, Calgary's biggest weapon in Gaudreau - signed for $6.75M until 2022
for a year of Taylor Hall who'll be looking for $9M+ next season
I don't think that NJ could be adding enough to that package for a trade involving those names to make any sense. Unless Ujiri is holding Brad's beer...
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07-08-2019, 11:59 AM
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#1283
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First Line Centre
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Just saw that Eklund tweet. Had a good laugh (which is about all he's good for, except occasionally - VERY occasionally - something on Philly).
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07-08-2019, 12:00 PM
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#1284
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Split98
So, Calgary's biggest weapon in Gaudreau - signed for $6.75M until 2022
for a year of Taylor Hall who'll be looking for $9M+ next season
I don't think that NJ could be adding enough to that package for a trade involving those names to make any sense. Unless Ujiri is holding Brad's beer...
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To add, $9 mil is extremely optimistic.
Hall will be looking for Tavares/Panarin type money, and will likely get it from someone.
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07-08-2019, 12:02 PM
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#1285
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Split98
So, Calgary's biggest weapon in Gaudreau - signed for $6.75M until 2022
for a year of Taylor Hall who'll be looking for $9M+ next season
I don't think that NJ could be adding enough to that package for a trade involving those names to make any sense. Unless Ujiri is holding Brad's beer...
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What if NJ adds plus takes on Neal?
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07-08-2019, 12:02 PM
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#1286
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
I doubt this happens. Hall has been stating that he wants to play for a winner a lot recently. If the flames trade their best player in order to get Hall, that doesn't really set the flames up as a sure-fire contender.
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It sure as hell doesn't hurt them. I tend to think Taylor Hall may in fact provide an upgrade on Gaudreau—he's a former Hart Trophy winner.
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If the flames do trade Gaudreau, I would hope it's in the hopes of re-tooling and getting back a large package of prospects and picks not a large price tag UFA.
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If the Flames trade Gaudreau at some point in the next two years, it had better yield a return that includes a player/players who are immediate contributors to a team with serious designs on winning a championship. (Not a "large price tag UFA," but certainly a lot more than "a package of prospects and picks.) Gaudreau is the Flames best player, but it's not like he is the lynchpin of success for the entire roster—this is not Connor McHobo we are taking about.
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07-08-2019, 12:04 PM
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#1287
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
What if NJ adds plus takes on Neal?
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I was thinking this as well. Like maybe a signed Taylor Hall and Coleman for Johnny and Neal?
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07-08-2019, 12:06 PM
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#1288
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
It sure as hell doesn't hurt them. I tend to think Taylor Hall may in fact provide an upgrade on Gaudreau—he's a former Hart Trophy winner.
If the Flames trade Gaudreau at some point in the next two years, it had better yield a return that includes a player/players who are immediate contributors to a team with serious designs on winning a championship. (Not a "large price tag UFA," but certainly a lot more than "a package of prospects and picks.) Gaudreau is the Flames best player, but it's not like he is the lynchpin of success for the entire roster—this is not Connor McHobo we are taking about.
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I guess what I mean is, when hall decides where he's going to sign long term, if he's serious about wanting to play for a contender, are the flames really an ideal landing spot, given that the next best forwards are Monahan/tkachuk? Not to say that isn't good, but I'd imagine there'd be other teams with a more enticing group.
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07-08-2019, 12:08 PM
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#1289
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by mrdonkey
To add, $9 mil is extremely optimistic.
Hall will be looking for Tavares/Panarin type money, and will likely get it from someone.
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As i posted in the other thread that is touching on this,
Larry Brooks suggests that Hall will command 13M+ per on his next deal.
Sure thing Foster.
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For if Artemi Panarin, an elite talent, was able to attract a $96M offer from Columbus over eight years ($12M per season) and another from the Islanders for $87.5M over seven years ($12.5M per) before accepting the Rangers’ bid of $81.5M over seven years ($11.642M per) in a self-imposed limited field, then what do you suppose awaits Hall — the 2017-18 Hart Trophy winner, who could be expected to open up the proceedings to anyone with a good chance to win?
You begin at $13M per and watch the bidding escalate for this dynamic, difference-making winger — who will turn 28 on Nov. 14, 15 days after Panarin blows out the same number of candles on his birthday cake. That’s where you begin right now if you are Devils general manager Ray Shero, who would be taking a John Tavares-sized risk (or is that Garth Snow-sized?) in allowing No. 9 to play out the season without an extension
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07-08-2019, 12:10 PM
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#1290
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
I guess what I mean is, when hall decides where he's going to sign long term, if he's serious about wanting to play for a contender, are the flames really an ideal landing spot, given that the next best forwards are Monahan/tkachuk? Not to say that isn't good, but I'd imagine there'd be other teams with a more enticing group.
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How many of those more enticing groups will also have the cap space to add a player like Hall? If the Flames were to move Gaudreau the space would need to be filled by an elite player; I think it would be an attractive landing spot for a player like Hall.
Last edited by Textcritic; 07-08-2019 at 12:16 PM.
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07-08-2019, 12:22 PM
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#1291
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Sven Andrighetto has signed a two-year deal with KHL Avangard (Bob Hartley's team)
https://twitter.com/user/status/1148295742601224192
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07-08-2019, 12:36 PM
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#1292
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Hall for gaudreau as the base of a trade isn't absurd but I don't know how Calgary can actually do it.
One way, however, would be shipping out Neal in the same deal.
Gaudreau's contract is the x factor here. Hall is maybe/probably a better individual player compared to Johnny Hockey but that 6.75 deal for term carries a huge amount of value.
If you can sign Hall for a similar dollar figure as tkachuk is going to get, then I think Gaudreau + Neal for Hall is fair value.
But I don't know if that really improves the roster.
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07-08-2019, 12:46 PM
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#1293
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Franchise Player
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I was hoping the Flames could sign Hall as a UFA to add him to what they already have, but these ridiculously inflated prices lately are making that seem more and more unlikely by the signing.
The only hope now would be a Duchene type discount because for some reason Hall ends up really wanting to sign in CGY and to leave enough money to field a strong team around him. That and the cap going up a lot next season. Stone's contract expiring and Neal bouncing back and getting moved would also help.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
Hall - Lindholm -
That would be an elite top 6 no matter who you slotted in on 2nd line RW.
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07-08-2019, 01:02 PM
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#1294
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
Hall - Lindholm - Lucic
That would be an elite top 6 no matter who you slotted in on 2nd line RW.
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Well, maybe not just anyone.
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07-08-2019, 01:09 PM
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#1295
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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People entertaining Gaudreau for Hall are out to lunch. Not only will Hall command big dollars on his next deal but he is injury prone, disappears when the going gets tough, and has the hockey IQ of a dead guppy. He has oodles of natural talent but no thanks. Given those things people think he is an upgrade on Johnny? Wtf...
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07-08-2019, 01:25 PM
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#1296
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
People entertaining Gaudreau for Hall are out to lunch. Not only will Hall command big dollars on his next deal but he is injury prone, disappears when the going gets tough, and has the hockey IQ of a dead guppy. He has oodles of natural talent but no thanks. Given those things people think he is an upgrade on Johnny? Wtf...
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Agreed. Hell I keep Gaudreau even if it's just for his contract alone.
I'm all for adding a guy like Hall but not at the expense of Gaudreu
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07-08-2019, 01:27 PM
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#1297
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Scoring Winger
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To go back to the Ferland rumor. Yes he has had meetings with Calgary and Vancouver. I was aware of this at the end of June.
Mods if you would like my source PM me.
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07-08-2019, 01:28 PM
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#1298
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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If Ferland signs with Vancouver, he's dead to me.
Sorry, no. He's irrelevant to me.
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07-08-2019, 01:30 PM
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#1299
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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My guess is the Luongo cap re-capture penalty may have taken the cap space they had ear marked for Ferland in Vancouver
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07-08-2019, 01:45 PM
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#1300
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!
To go back to the Ferland rumor. Yes he has had meetings with Calgary and Vancouver. I was aware of this at the end of June.
Mods if you would like my source PM me.
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Vancouver was my guess once the season ended but they added Myers $6M, Miller’s $5.25M and Luongo’s $3M while still needing to sign Boeser to a 6-8M deal.
Ferland might have to wait until late summer/early fall to sign a deal. Reminds me of Russell when he was seeking 5.5Mx6 the season after the Flames moved him at the deadline.
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