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06-08-2021, 12:27 AM
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#222
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Beatle17
As an example Charlie Coyle makes the same as Backlund for 5 years after this one and Backlund has outperformed him every year.
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Yep, who are these FA's better than Baklund willing to come to Calgary for less money than Backlund?
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06-08-2021, 12:43 AM
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#223
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: at home
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beatle17
As an example Charlie Coyle makes the same as Backlund for 5 years after this one and Backlund has outperformed him every year.
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I hate to say but he actually outproduced him not outperformed. For a series like Flames-Avs in 2019 I'd take Coyle to my team 10 times out of 10.
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06-08-2021, 01:13 AM
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#224
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Coyle was atrocious in Boston this year.
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06-08-2021, 02:49 AM
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#225
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Joborule
I do feel that Backlund needs to be a player shipped out to change the poising that this roster has in underperforming.
If him going out either clears up cap space, and/or brings in a forward that's younger that can preform just as well, if not better, it helps the Flames get better.
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So, trade Backlund for someone younger, better and cheaper.
Sign me up. In fact, let’s employ that strategy across the board.
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06-08-2021, 10:51 AM
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#226
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by playmaker
I hate to say but he actually outproduced him not outperformed. For a series like Flames-Avs in 2019 I'd take Coyle to my team 10 times out of 10.
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Coyle has 3 points in 10 PO games this year, and he has a -5 (highest on the team). You can’t tell me Backlund wouldn’t have done more, sheltered behind Bergeron and Krejci.
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06-08-2021, 04:47 PM
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#227
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Draft Pick
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Milky Way
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The more I watch Mangiapane the more he reminds me of Marchand without the periodic psychotic episodes. The tenacity, vision, hands all seem very similar. IMO in order to be successful in the NHL you have to take contract risks on certain players by paying more than they appear to be worth hoping they eventually exceed their contract value. I would sign Mangiapane for as long as I could at anything close to 5 as I think he will greatly outplay that number. If you wait until he proves it, he will then be looking for 6-7 and you no longer have a team friendly deal.
It is a risky strategy but when you aren't blessed with top 5 draft picks you have to make a few good bets like this or you remain middle of the pack forever.
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06-09-2021, 08:35 PM
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#228
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Haven't seen this posted here so:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1402733476101582848
https://twitter.com/user/status/1402734518167957504
"I'd be very open, I love the city, love the locker room, managements great. Calgary's my 2nd home so I'd be definitely interested in signing a long term deal."
"If the money's right and contract, and you know situation and doing all that the business side of it, but me personally just the whole all of Calgary's just been great to me, so I'd love to sign longer and stay there longer.
Last edited by 1qqaaz; 06-09-2021 at 08:39 PM.
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06-09-2021, 08:46 PM
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#229
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
Haven't seen this posted here so:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1402733476101582848
https://twitter.com/user/status/1402734518167957504
"I'd be very open, I love the city, love the locker room, managements great. Calgary's my 2nd home so I'd be definitely interested in signing a long term deal."
"If the money's right and contract, and you know situation and doing all that the business side of it, but me personally just the whole all of Calgary's just been great to me, so I'd love to sign longer and stay there longer.
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Has a player in this situation ever not said this?
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06-09-2021, 08:55 PM
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#230
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
Haven't seen this posted here so:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1402733476101582848
https://twitter.com/user/status/1402734518167957504
"I'd be very open, I love the city, love the locker room, managements great. Calgary's my 2nd home so I'd be definitely interested in signing a long term deal."
"If the money's right and contract, and you know situation and doing all that the business side of it, but me personally just the whole all of Calgary's just been great to me, so I'd love to sign longer and stay there longer.
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Well....yeah.
But that has to work both ways.
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06-09-2021, 09:02 PM
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#231
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Self Imposed Retirement
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Calgary
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If the Flames offer Andrew Mangiapane similar money to what Rasmus Anderson is getting and even just 4 years, I don't know how he would say no to that. Even 4x 4, that's $16M!
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06-09-2021, 09:03 PM
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#232
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Originally Posted by chedder
Has a player in this situation ever not said this?
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Ever not said what? "I would love to sign longer"?
For many players that age, yes. Prove-me bridge deals are often sought. Probably more often than not for non-star players.
If the Flames aren't stupid, they want to sign a long term deal. Mangiapane wants a long term deal.
Barring failures by both parties, it looks like it will in fact be a long term deal.
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06-10-2021, 06:40 AM
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#233
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macman
If the Flames offer Andrew Mangiapane similar money to what Rasmus Anderson is getting and even just 4 years, I don't know how he would say no to that. Even 4x 4, that's $16M!
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it would be easy to say no to that if you think you're worth 5+, or soon will be.
especially when you were slapped around on an earlier contract when you had no leverage.
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06-10-2021, 08:57 AM
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#234
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macman
If the Flames offer Andrew Mangiapane similar money to what Rasmus Anderson is getting and even just 4 years, I don't know how he would say no to that. Even 4x 4, that's $16M!
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I think that's a reasonable landing spot but there's very little motivation for Mangiapane to sign a deal like that one year early. I'm sure he's confident in his ability to improve on last year so all this does is hedge against a potential career threatening injury he might incur this year. While a 4x$4 seems fair to me, IMO that's not enough incentive for him to lock in early. His leverage should only improve with time.
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06-10-2021, 09:36 AM
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#235
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I think that's a reasonable landing spot but there's very little motivation for Mangiapane to sign a deal like that one year early. I'm sure he's confident in his ability to improve on last year so all this does is hedge against a potential career threatening injury he might incur this year. While a 4x$4 seems fair to me, IMO that's not enough incentive for him to lock in early. His leverage should only improve with time.
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I’d for sure wait until at least mid season. Don’t want to negotiate off of the WC high. But maybe if the team is doing well, that’s the time to strike.
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06-10-2021, 09:38 AM
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#236
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Uncle Chester
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Good interview with Mangiapane on NHL Network radio this morning. Mike Johnson said "I cant overstate how the team turned around as soon as he got in the lineup. He was THE reason Canada won the tournament."
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06-10-2021, 01:07 PM
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#237
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Didn't Gallant himself say that Mangiapane was the difference? Eat Bread is amazing. Sign him long term now, please.
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06-10-2021, 01:09 PM
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#238
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I think that's a reasonable landing spot but there's very little motivation for Mangiapane to sign a deal like that one year early. I'm sure he's confident in his ability to improve on last year so all this does is hedge against a potential career threatening injury he might incur this year. While a 4x$4 seems fair to me, IMO that's not enough incentive for him to lock in early. His leverage should only improve with time.
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If he was signing that contract this summer, that makes sense.
If Mangiapane comes in this year and puts up the numbers I think he will, he'll end up closer to that $6M mark.
I think he'll pop-off for 30G this season.
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06-10-2021, 07:29 PM
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#239
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Powerplay Quarterback
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bring in Adam Henrique and play him with Mang
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06-10-2021, 08:08 PM
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#240
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
Ever not said what? "I would love to sign longer"?
For many players that age, yes. Prove-me bridge deals are often sought. Probably more often than not for non-star players.
If the Flames aren't stupid, they want to sign a long term deal. Mangiapane wants a long term deal.
Barring failures by both parties, it looks like it will in fact be a long term deal.
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He was talking about the below quote from your post, and he's right. It's the same quote from a thousand players before him and a thousand players after him. Those types of words have no bearing on anything or else 95% of players would be happy to re-sign in their current city.
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"I'd be very open, I love the city, love the locker room, managements great. Calgary's my 2nd home so I'd be definitely interested in signing a long term deal."
"If the money's right and contract, and you know situation and doing all that the business side of it, but me personally just the whole all of Calgary's just been great to me, so I'd love to sign longer and stay there longer.
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